antonyh 13 hours ago

The 'send' example perfectly illustrates why I would find Material 3 hard to use - it makes it harder to write the message but easier to send. It's less usable.

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SlowAndCalm 12 hours ago

I went through a few thoughts when seeing the design:

- I do have trouble spotting the send button on the old design

- Maybe just moving it to a similar position as the new design would help

- I don't actually want it near the keyboard because I might accidentally tap it

- There's plenty of space, why can't they just have a button that actually says 'send'?

jorams 10 hours ago

The reason the send button on the old design is hard to see seems to me to be that it doesn't stand out in any way. The only difference to everything else on the screen is that it's blue instead of black, but the contrast isn't big and it's between two less important icons.

Here's a 30-second edit of the first picture that undoubtedly breaks material design guidelines, but also solves the problem without introducing any new problems: https://kappa.lol/7Zuuc8.png

The problem with a text button in a case like this is that the translation of "Send" is longer in most languages and even much longer some languages.

romanows 7 hours ago

On my Android gmail app, when I reply to an email, there's very little on the screen at the start of the process. The pink-ish send button really stands out since everything else is grey text (I'm using dark mode). They show an image after the user has composed their message and also expanded the quoted previous email text, which is not really what the user's experience is like, so it's misleading IMO.

erkt 8 hours ago

Maybe just use the word "send" in a blue bubble? Forcing us to discover and translate hieroglyphics is just lazy UI design because you do not want to worry about localization.

mchusma 12 hours ago

my thoughts on the email design: - Comparison is strange. One email has an image, the other text. Not the same email. - Hiding the previous parts of the thread seem good by default, but how do you easily get them back? - Where is "from" in new design? - Where is "to" in new design? - I do like expanding attachment a bit so you don't have to click twice to attach a photo (for example), but I'm not sure how often some of those options are used, may be too much. I could see a photo icon and general attach icon both showing. - Back arrow looks broken in new design.

jamessb 10 hours ago

> Not the same email.

I'm not even sure they're both emails. The first looks like a fairly conventional mobile email app; the second looks like a messaging app.

Not only does it not have a 'from' and 'to' field, it also doesn't have a 'subject' field.

anentropic 11 hours ago

> There's plenty of space, why can't they just have a button that actually says 'send'?

Words? Are you crazy, this is 2025!

/s

yiyus 10 hours ago

That's also my impression. They even brag about it. They have optimized the time that it takes to find the send button (something that I will only have to do once or maybe a few times until I get used to it) at the expense of a good portion of screen space that would be very useful when actually writing emails.

SecretDreams 8 hours ago

Ya, but it lands so well with those 18-24 year olds that make all the clicks!

wapeoifjaweofji 7 hours ago

If there's one thing I know about 18-24 year olds, it's that they love sending emails!

gempir 11 hours ago

I looked at the 2 screenshots and it took me like a minute to see the send button on the new screen.

I am probably very used to the "old" design. If a user will use this product once or twice, yes then the big button at the bottom will be advantaged. But you are biasing the design for new users.

Existing users know exactly where the button is and will now have wasted space because of a gigantic send button.

arccy 7 hours ago

it increases the efficiency of sending short messages...