epistasis 14 hours ago

I've spent a fair amount of time over the past decades to make autotools work on my projects, and I've never felt like it was a good use of time.

It's likely that C will continue to be used by everyone for decades to come, but I know that I'll personally never start a new project in C again.

I'm still glad that there's some sort of push to make autotools suck less for legacy projects.

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monkeyelite 13 hours ago

You can use make without configure. If needed, you can also write your own configure instead of using auto tools.

Creating a make file is about 10 lines and is the lowest friction for me to get programming of any environment. Familiarity is part of that.

viraptor 13 hours ago

It's a bit of a balance once you get bigger dependencies. A generic autoconf is annoying to write, but rarely an issue when packaging for a distro. Most issues I've had to fix in nixpkgs were for custom builds unfortunately.

But if you don't plan to distribute things widely (or have no deps).. Whatever, just do what works for you.

edoceo 13 hours ago

Write your own configure? For an internal project, where much is under domain control, sure. But for the 1000s of projects trying to multi-plarform and/or support flavours/versions - oh gosh.

monkeyelite 12 hours ago

It depends on how much platform specific stuff you are trying to use. Also in 2025 most packages are tailored for the operating system by packagers - not the original authors.

Autotools is going to check every config from the past 50 years.

charcircuit 5 hours ago

>Also in 2025 most packages are tailored for the operating system by packagers - not the original authors.

No? Most operating systems don't have a separate packager. They have the developer package the application.

monkeyelite 3 hours ago

Yes? Each operating system is very different and almost every package has patches or separate install scripts.

eqvinox 5 hours ago

To extend on sibling comments:

autoconf is in no way, shape or form an "official" build system associated with C. It is a GNU creation and certainly popular, but not to a "monopoly" degree, and it's share is declining. (plain make & meson & cmake being popular alternatives)

tidwall 13 hours ago

I've stopped using autotools for new projects. Just a Makefile, and the -j flag for concurrency.

psyclobe 12 hours ago

cmake ftw

JCWasmx86 9 hours ago

Or meson is a serious alternative to cmake (Even better than cmake imho)

torarnv 6 hours ago

CMake also does sequential configuration AFAIK. Is there any work to improve on that somewhere?

OskarS 4 hours ago

Meson and cmake in my experience are both MUCH faster though. It’s much less of an issue with these systems than with autotools.

aldanor 11 hours ago

You mean cargo build

yjftsjthsd-h 11 hours ago

... can cargo build things that aren't rust? If yes, that's really cool. If no, then it's not really in the same problem domain.

kouteiheika 9 hours ago

No it can't.

It can build a Rust program (build.rs) which builds things that aren't Rust, but that's an entirely different use case (building non-Rust library to use inside of Rust programs).

crabbone 2 hours ago

There's GprBuild (Ada tool) that can build C (not sure about C++). It also has more elaborate configuration structure, but I didn't use it extensively to tell what exactly and how exactly does it do it. In combination with Alire it can also manage dependencies Cargo-style.

touisteur 2 hours ago

Got it to build C++, CUDA and IIRC SYCL too.

malkia 11 hours ago

cmake uses configure, or configure-like too!

ahartmetz 8 hours ago

Same concept, but completely different implementation.