thejazzman 6 hours ago

Because people make it so, not because the natural order of the world gets us there

For some reason because we can validates that we should. Any jackass has the power of a research team of phds. It's kinda weird.

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chefandy 6 hours ago

Indeed. Humans ascended to dominance because we can cooperate. This every-man-for-themself idea is an aberration, not the natural order as so many claim. It’s rather astounding to think otherwise considering the logistics of how we’re communicating right now.

uh_uh 5 hours ago

Cooperation works if the potential damage caused by a rouge actor is sufficiently low. Otherwise, it's too easy to sabotage things. This is why we don't want random rouge states to have nukes. AI will give so much leverage to rouge actors that it will significantly shift the game theory in favour of not cooperating.

chefandy 4 hours ago

> Cooperation works if the potential damage caused by a rouge actor is sufficiently low. Otherwise, it's too easy to sabotage things. This is why we don't want random rouge states to have nukes. AI will give so much leverage to rouge actors that it will significantly shift the game theory in favour of not cooperating.

Governments successfully collectively controlling dangerous things so they don’t fall into the hands of rogue bad actors fundamentally opposes the extreme individualist every-man-for-himself perspective in every conceivable way. It’s the absolute opposite of “it’s everybody’s responsibility to protect themselves because everybody else is only going to look out for themselves.”

And when individuals have that much leverage, collective action is the only conceivable way to oppose it. Some of those things might be cultural, like mores, some might be laws, some might be more martial. I don’t see how extreme individualism even theoretically could be more powerful.

uh_uh 3 hours ago

Are you suggesting government action against putting up code like this to GitHub? It’s ok if you are, but I want to put into more concrete terms what we’re talking about.

uh_uh 6 hours ago

Demanding responsible behaviour from everybody is not going to work. Some people don't care about negative externalities that much and it's enough if only a few of them decide not to play ball. So either grandma needs to adapt which will upset some people or distributing the tech should be regulated/prosecuted which will upset another group of people.

rockemsockem 4 hours ago

I think either way grandma needs to adapt though since Russian scammers and trolls are still going to run scams with fake voices.

123yawaworht456 2 hours ago

how very politically correct of you to pretend it's Russians who scam your grandmas