nielsole 6 days ago

Asahi Linux (and likely MacOS too) uses the resistance of the speakers coils to detect overheating of same speakers and reduces volume.

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squarefoot 6 days ago

That's the same principle used by cheap solder stations to regulate the tip temperature without employing a thermal sensor: they measure the heater resistance, presumably during the off state of the PWM signal that drives the heater. In that case the measurement is less accurate than using a real sensor, still good enough for cheap solder stations where a few degrees don't make a big difference.

floating-io 5 days ago

Why would they do it during the off state? If they know the voltage and can measure the current that they're driving it with -- or vice versa -- they can use Ohm's law to calculate the resistance.

They'd probably have to do that anyway.

CamperBob2 6 days ago

Interesting. If the voltage across the speaker voice coil can be sampled with enough sensitivity at a fast-enough rate, you have an undocumented microphone.

xyzzy_plugh 6 days ago

This is true of all speakers

ssl-3 5 days ago

It's true of all dynamic speakers -- the sort with a voice coil and a magnet.

(But not all speakers are dynamic speakers.)

planewave 5 days ago

Would this also be true for electrostatic speakers as well? Though would probably would require greater gain/amplification or, potentially the application of some kind of bias voltage for the capacitive diaphragm of the speaker.

Just speculation based on the shared operating principal with condenser microphones

ssl-3 4 days ago

With bias power, I think an electrostatic loudspeaker turns into a condenser microphone (a thing that provides varying capacitance in response to changes in pressure).

I don't think that electrostatic loudspeakers all require bias power, so it's not quite as simple as using a dynamic loudspeaker backwards is.

It is a neat idea, though. A big, flat-panel microphone would be interesting to play with.

robotresearcher 3 days ago

You can use a window or any large panel as a microphone without even touching it by observing its vibrations.

You can bounce a laser off it, or even go fully passive using a camera with some sensitivity tricks: I recall a paper that reconstructed a remote conversation by watching a houseplant through a window.

ssl-3 2 days ago

Of course.

Everything is a microphone if you're brave enough.

TacticalCoder 5 days ago

Others who know that better than me and commented but... First time I read that, as a kid, here was I plugging my headphones into the input jack of my parents' soundsystem and, sure enough, it worked as mic (although at as super ultra low volume but I clearly remember it worked).

BobbyTables2 5 days ago

But not true of all codecs…

Do you think Apple put a hidden microphone in their devices by pure accident?

CamperBob2 6 days ago

Exactly.

nick3443 5 days ago

Also used in electric motor controllers to monitor winding temperature.