randomtoast 2 days ago

And Great Britain just announced plans to deliver 100,000 of them to Ukraine. Ukraine lacks the manpower compared to Russia. It seems logical to strengthen their forces by deploying these flying mini terminators. I believe we are not far from large-scale drone warfare. In World War II, we had epic tank and aircraft battles; now, the time has come for autonomous drone battlefields.

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pjc50 2 days ago

Missed that news; https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/britain-p...

I think we're already deep into large-scale drone warfare. Destroying a third of the enemy heavy bomber fleet is pretty substantial. It feels to me like that attack operated like Pearl Harbor, a marker that the old way of surface naval warfare / air attack was being replaced by a new one.

Don't forget that Russia has their own drones. They were the first to deploy the fiber-optic cable drones as an anti-ECM measure. And of course both sides are ordering parts from China.

londons_explore 1 day ago

Current warfare is drone Vs people.

Future warfare will be drone Vs drone, and we might see the main battlefield entirely devoid of people until one or other side runs out of drones.

IshKebab 1 day ago

$4k per drone... ouch.

pjc50 1 day ago

A lot of money if you're a UK benefits recipient, not a lot of money for a piece of military equipment. Slightly more than the annual allowance of one asylum seeker.

Whole program is about a third of the cost of a Type 26 Frigate.

CommanderData 1 day ago

The asylum seeker comparison is interesting.

While I want to reduce the number, I can't but help think how we essentially create them in the first place by destroying the countries which create the economic conditions they flee from.

dash2 1 day ago

Asylum seekers are not fleeing bad economic conditions, or at least they are claiming not to. Also, we didn't create refugees from Syria or Ukraine - Syria and Russia did.

CommanderData 6 hours ago

Not entirely, I think western powers had much more involvement then you have summarized.

Destabilising a country, causing military coups, arming rebel forces all play a part.

ponector 1 day ago

Kamikaze FPV drones starts from $400 (without warhead), from $1000 if it has 20km of optic fiber or is an interceptor. If it is not a kamikaze, like heavy bomber or reconnaissance - $10k+.

Extremely affordable!

throwaway2037 1 day ago

How much does 20km of optic fibre weigh? Why don't these fibre strands suffer from the same physical limits as cabling used in suspension bridges? To be clear: I am not doubting that multi-kilometer optic fibre controlled drones do not exist. There are plenty of highly quality news sources and YouTube videos about them.

vbezhenar 1 day ago

https://www.wildberries.ru/catalog/423372174/detail.aspx

Weight: 2.2 kg Price: 78 000 ₽ ($1000)

Just to clarify, this 20km fibre spool is installed on the drone itself and unwinds automatically as drone flies.

IshKebab 1 day ago

Presumably they are lying on the ground.

rhcom2 1 day ago

One Tu-22M is $100 million.

vbezhenar 1 day ago

It is priceless. It's not produced anymore. You can't exchange $100 million for new Tu-22M. Not exactly priceless, you probably can replicate the production by rebuilding the factories for every component and all related production chains. But that'll be much more than $100 million.

gusfoo 1 day ago

The UK has also released some details of a new 'in bulk' RF-based drone takedown DEW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1vY5efYXMQ

ponector 1 day ago

100k kamikaze drones are not that many for the current stage of war. Millions are consumed annually.

londons_explore 1 day ago

Future children will walk through the forests collecting drone motors to make their next school project...