visarga 1 day ago

You should try Cursor or Windsurf, with Claude or Gemini model. Create a documentation file first. Generate tests for everything. The more the better. Then let it cycle 100 times until tests pass.

Normal programming is like walking, deliberate and sure. Vibe coding is like surfing, you can't control everything, just hit yes on auto. Trust the process, let it make mistakes and recover on its own.

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tqwhite 1 day ago

I find that writing a thorough design spec is really worth it. Also, asking for its reaction. "What's missing?" "Should I do X or Y" does good things for its thought process, like engaging a younger programmer in the process.

Definitely, I ask for a plan and then, even if it's obvious, I ask questions and discuss it. I also point it as samples of code that I like with instructions for what is good about it.

Once we have settled on a plan, I ask it to break it into phases that can be tested (I am not one for a unit testing) to lock in progress. Claude LOVES that. It organizes a new plan and, at the end of each phase tells me how to test (curl, command line, whatever is appropriate) and what I should see that represents success.

The most important thing I have figured out is that Claude is a collaborator, not a minion. I agree with visarga, it's much more like surfing that walking. Also, Trust... but Verify.

This is a great time to be a programmer.

prisenco 1 day ago

Given that analogy, surely you could understand why someone would much rather walk than surf to their destination? Especially people who are experienced marathon runners.

fragmede 1 day ago

If I tried standing up on the waves without a surfboard, and complain about how it's not working, would you blame the water or surfing for the issue, or the person trying to defy physics, complaining that it's not working? It doesn't matter how much I want to run or if I'm Kelvin Kiptum, I'm gonna have a bad time.

prisenco 1 day ago

That only makes sense when surfing is the only way to get to the destination and that's not the case.

fragmede 23 hours ago

Say there are two ways to get to your destination. You still need to use the appropriate vehicle/surfboard for the route you've chosen to use. Even if there is a bridge you can run/walk across, if you try and surf across the water without a surfboard, and try to walk it, you're gonna have a bad time.

prisenco 23 hours ago

Analogy feels a bit tortured at this point.

fragmede 21 hours ago

What a coincidence that now's the point it's tortured and not any earlier!

Sharlin 20 hours ago

It was incredibly tortured from the get go and is screaming that it be put out of its misery.

derwiki 19 hours ago

Look, my lad, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

latentsea 17 hours ago

I'm sorry, is this the full half hour argument or only the five minute one?