michpoch 19 hours ago

> since on average richer people will spend more on fuel

Why would you think so? People driving older cars, not being able to afford to fly - will certainly spend more money on fuel for their car.

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leoedin 19 hours ago

Rich people use more energy. That’s been shown by loads of studies.

Maybe they drive a more efficient car, but they own much larger houses which are heated or cooled consistently, they travel a lot more, and they buy things with embodied carbon emissions.

michpoch 18 hours ago

Right, but now you're talking about adding the tax to the whole economy, not just car fuel?

That's close to impossible to implement. You'd need to track production and usage of everything in an extreme detail. Plus tracking all purchases (items + services) to a given person. So complete state surveillance of citizens. Globally.

xnx 16 hours ago

> That's close to impossible to implement.

For a carbon tax, I think you only need to track imports, and domestic extraction of coal, petroleum, and natural gas.

michpoch 14 hours ago

„Only” track imports?

xnx 13 hours ago

I think customs already tracks this. Smuggling oil and coal into the US at any meaningful scale seems very unlikely.

michpoch 6 hours ago

Right, but how do you track carbon in imported goods?

xnx 4 hours ago

You don't. We already outsource all kinds of things (pollution, human rights violations) now.

edoceo 18 hours ago

Tax all fuel. So those energy consumption of wealthy cost more?

michpoch 16 hours ago

Ok, let's assume you do. Let's tax all fuels 300% in the US. Now all manufacturing stops as your production costs are all over the roof. Everything is imported from countries that do not have these taxes.

What problem was solved here? None.

triceratops 15 hours ago

> Everything is imported from countries that do not have these taxes.

Finally a good use for tariffs!

Loudergood 19 hours ago

Do you think flying evades the carbon tax?

michpoch 18 hours ago

Yes, if you apply the carbon tax only for the fuel at petrol stations. I am talking about realistic-to-implement solutions.

sokoloff 16 hours ago

Aviation fuel is dispensed at a limited number of places; it would be easier (or just as easy) to implement a higher aviation fuel tax than a higher auto fuel tax.

michpoch 16 hours ago

It's trivial to implement auto fuel tax - it's already in place in most of developed countries.

sokoloff 1 hour ago

There's an auto fuel tax in the US. Increasing that from $0.184/gallon for gasoline and $0.244/gallon for diesel to say $1.50/gallon and $2.00/gallon would ensure massive losses for that party in the next two or three election cycles.

Increasing the tax on aviation fuel to $2/gallon wouldn't produce massive shifts in the next several elections, therefore it's easier to implement.