mppm 4 days ago

> The "real" point of an argument is not to persuade the other side (though that is what you aspire to nonetheless) but to exchange views.

Maybe this is just a matter of definitions, but for me the point of an argument is to convince or be convinced. When two incompatible views exist on a subject, at least one of them must be wrong. Some topics of conversation allow for diverging views or values, but then we are just talking or sharing experiences, not arguing.

That said, it is my experience as well that actually changing someone's (or my own) mind on an important issue is unlikely. Especially on complex topics with partial and uncertain information, like political issues, our life experience and cumulative knowledge significantly influences our selection of sources and interpretation of the facts, so converging on a common point of view may require the exchange of a prohibitive amount of information, even among rational arguers.

Productive argument usually occurs in a sort of semi-echo chamber, with people who mostly agree with us on the context, and are only arguing about the top layer, so to say. But when trying to argue about the deep stuff, we are mostly just "exchanging views", in the end.

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Vegenoid 4 days ago

> When two incompatible views exist on a subject, at least one of them must be wrong.

Rarely can any significant argument be boiled down to something so simple that this is the case. What if there are two incompatible views on the course of action that should be taken to lead to some desired outcome? You really can't just say that one of them must be wrong. There is a whole web of tradeoffs, assumptions, and odds to consider - you can't simply determine "right" and "wrong".

Bjartr 4 days ago

> When two incompatible views exist on a subject, at least one of them must be wrong

This isn't strictly correct if the source of incompatibility is differing assumptions / axioms. Both views can be correct in their own context and incorrect in the other context.

Cheezemansam 3 days ago

>When two incompatible views exist on a subject, at least one of them must be wrong.

There are a lot of things that do not exist on a binary truth spectrum, although I agree with your point about open mindedness.