pixl97 4 days ago

>o it seems a logical leap to say they know it doesn't and are doing this as a scheme?

In some of the earlier image protection articles the people involved seemed rather shady about the capabilities. Would have to do some HN searching for those articles.

But everything at the end of the day will be a scheme if the end result is for humans to listen to it. You cannot make a subset of music that can be heard by humans (and actually sounds good) that cannot be prefiltered to be learned by AI. I've said the same thing about images, the same thing will be true about audio, movies, actions in real leave, et al.

These schemes will likely work for a few of the existing models, then fall apart quickly the moment a new model arrives. What is worse for defense is audio quality for humans is remaining the same while GPU speeds and algorithms increase in speeds over time meaning the time until a model beats the new defense will trend to unity.

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nemomarx 4 days ago

Right, but that just makes it a failed defense, not a scheme to dupe artists into false confidence. Maybe the result will be similar but I don't think the intent here is a con, it sounds pretty genuine.

pixl97 4 days ago

I think of it as a claim like "we almost have a machine that violates thermodynamics". To avoid confusing the layman that will automatically assume an unlimited energy has been created said claims must be well defined as to what has actually been accomplished.

While the artist in question can have the best intentions, conmen will swoop down on this and productize it, and then artists will be sad and confused when it has zero long term effect on machine learning. That is, except making machine learning more resilient to adversarial attacks.