jghn 6 days ago

TFA touches on this, but one thing I initially found surprising is how few people understand different domains have different best practices around authorship order. It does make sense, people are typically not as involved in other domains and not exposed to those papers. But I do still find it surprising how different the practices can be overall.

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madcaptenor 6 days ago

The American Mathematical Society has a statement basically saying “in math, authorship order is alphabetical” that people going up for tenure can put in their files, in case people involved in the decision come from other disciplines which have other conventions.

https://www.ams.org/learning-careers/leaders/CultureStatemen...

setopt 5 days ago

Alphabetical order sounds interesting when you mix non-anglicized international names. Do you go by Unicode sort order?

I’m in physics, we have this thing where the first author did the most and the last author supervised the most, and the person in the middle just had an occasional coffee with them.

Wevah 5 days ago

I’d guess it’d be a particular collation, rather than Unicode order…otherwise ö would always come after z (which is incorrect for English, but correct for, e.g., Swedish).

thaumasiotes 5 days ago

> otherwise ö would always come after z

Really? Wouldn't that depend on how you spelled it and what kind of Unicode ordering you specified?

Which comes first?

    '\u0047\u00f6\u0064\u0065\u006c'
    '\u0047\u006f\u0308\u0064\u0065\u006c'

dmurray 5 days ago

Someone should study whether that statement is disproportionately included by authors with names later on in the alphabet.

xenonite 5 days ago

Also I suppose that Z authors might have more publications because they are nice to collaborate with.