uh_uh 4 days ago

> Remember that you'll get comparable levels of radiation even if you commute through the grand central station every day.

Gemini says this:

> A single typical CT scan delivers a dose that is roughly 1,000 to over 5,000 times higher than the dose you'd get from spending a few hours in Grand Central Terminal.

Where did you get that from?

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dragonwriter 4 days ago

If the hallucination machine can cite a source, check and cite that for facts, but don't cite the hallucination machine.

uh_uh 4 days ago

Weird you don't have this requirement for the OP spewing his urban myths above.

ssl-3 4 days ago

Human hallucinations are natural.

Machine hallucinations are avoidable.

uh_uh 4 days ago

Was it hallucinating here, or are the commenters hallucinating? What OP is saying is just not true. A CT scan and normal daily commute in Grand Central station are NOT comparable in terms of radiation received. Somehow this is controversial because an AI said it?

ssl-3 4 days ago

The machine appears to have hallucinated the incomparable comparison, instead of a human.

(And I'm not picking on the machine at all here. I use it all the time. At first, I used to treat it like an idiot intern that shouldn't have been hired at all: Creative and full of spirit, but untrustworthy and all ideas need to be filtered. But lately, it's more like an decent apprentice who has a hangover and isn't thinking straight today. The machine has been getting better as time presses on, but it still goes rather aloof from time to time.)

uh_uh 1 day ago

I don't understand how was the machine hallucinating?

Guvante 4 days ago

Did you actually discredit someone or have you not properly considered your units in this response?

Commute through the Grand Central station everyday is certainly not a few hours.

And people don't tend to get a CT scan very frequently so the timeline here is massive.

uh_uh 4 days ago

In your opinion how many hours spent in Grand Central station equal the radiation received from a CT scan?

itishappy 4 days ago

Somewhere between 7 and 700 days.

CT Scan: 10-1000 mrem

Grand Central Station: 525 mrem / yr

https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED297952.pdf

uh_uh 4 days ago

So OP's statement is true for people who live IN the station.

itishappy 4 days ago

It's roughly 40 min per workday over a typical year. That's a bit high but not unreasonably so.

uh_uh 4 days ago

That would amount to 10 mrem of radiation per year. I don't believe this is a realistic estimate for a CT scan though. From epa.gov [1]:

- Head CT: 2.0 mSv (200 mrem)

- Chest CT: 8.0 mSv (800 mrem)

- Abdomen CT: 10 mSv (1,000 mrem)

- Pelvis CT: 10 mSv (1,000 mrem)

So for a head CT, one would need to spend more than 13 hours per workday in the station. OP was off at least an order of magnitude.

https://www.epa.gov/radiation/frequent-questions-radiation-m...

riahi 4 days ago

This data is from 2006. Over 20 years, there has been substantial progress in CT radiation reduction through model-based iterative reconstruction and now ML-assisted reconstruction, aside from iterative advances in detector sensitivity and now photon-counting CT.

In clinical practice, those doses are about 2-3x what I see on the machine dose reports every day at my place of work.

In thin patients who can hold still, I've done full-cycle cardiac CT and achieved a < 1 mSv dose. We are always trying to get the dose down while still being diagnostic.

Source: Practicing radiologist.

itishappy 4 days ago

Fair enough. That was the first number I pulled from Google, but I trust your source a good deal more.

ramraj07 4 days ago

I used the word comparable. Given they are in the same ballpark of log scale i stand vindicated in my opinion.

Also there's an apple store there. RIP all the geniuses there i suppose

ramraj07 4 days ago

So if you pass through GCT every day it does become comparable to a CT scan?