rstuart4133 6 days ago

> "removing power from non academic activists"

That sentence (from the letter) makes no sense. An activist isn't someone with power to do something. If they had that power, they wouldn't be advocating it, they would do it.

What that insisting the University do is shut down people talking and protesting with viewpoints they disagree with. They list those viewpoints in their letter: "..., Students for Justice in Palestine, and the National Lawyers Guild". The pro Israeli protests that happened aren't mentioned. If they get away with this, I'm sure a lot more viewpoints will follow.

This isn't about powers. It's about controlling what people can and can not say on a University campus.

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DarkmSparks 6 days ago

>An activist isn't someone with power to do something

Without doubt in this context "activist" refers to those pushing the LGBTQ, race and gender baiting agenda with no regard for education of actual real world value.

rstuart4133 6 days ago

> Without doubt in this context "activist" refers to those pushing the LGBTQ, race and gender baiting agenda with no regard for education of actual real world value.

Nope. They literally spell out the activity they want banned in their letter. Have you read it? LGBTQ and gender aren't mentioned.

DarkmSparks 5 days ago

->LGBTQ and gender aren't mentioned.

yes they are

"discontinuation of DEI"

aka not giving someone a position of power purely because they are e.g. a hispanic homosexual and a quota needs filling.

and kicking out the activists that push that policy over academic credentials.

rstuart4133 5 days ago

Yes, discontinuation of DEI is one thing they are asking for. But they aren't (yet) the calling for banning "hispanic homosexuals" or any other DEI group on campus. They aren't asking for discussions about them to be banned. That would be a little awkward, as I'm sure they warn to encourage discussions disparaging them. Nowhere in the section on dismantling DEI do they use the term activists.

Kicking out activists is another thing they are asking for, in a different section. They list the sorts of activists they want kicked out. Right now it's a short list that boils down to protesting what Israel is doing in Gaza. DEI is not mentioned anywhere in the section, nor are any of the groups DEI typically encompasses. I have no doubt that if Harvard did acquiesce the list will be expanded to everything the administration disagrees with - for example protesting about abolishing DEI. But that's for the future.

It's clear from the letter of demand "activists" and DEI are separate issues they want dealt with in different ways. One is a policy they want dropped, the other is a group they want shut down. What is not so clear is why you are so keen to conflate the two issues. Are you keen to get "hispanic homosexuals", and any other sub-group you don't like banned from campuses?

DarkmSparks 5 days ago

>It's clear from the letter of demand "activists" and DEI are separate issues

Separate issues. Mostly the same people.

All of whom have exactly zero acedemic credibility.

Certainly non of whom should be funded by tax collected from a single mother living in a trailer park.

rstuart4133 5 days ago

> Separate issues. Mostly the same people.

Just for clarity, do I have this right: You think people who protest Israel’s handing of Gaza are mostly people favoured by DEI, you think "hispanic homosexuals" are favoured by DEI at Harvard, and you think someone who is a "hispanic homosexual" and others that fall under DEI invariably have zero academic credibility?

DarkmSparks 4 days ago

I think the people who blocked jewish students attending class are mostly the same racist dumbasses that think being black or hispanic or sexually deviant automatically qualifies you for additional tax payer funds.

And being that dumb to believe in either means you have zero acedemic credibility.

rstuart4133 4 days ago

> I think the people who blocked jewish students attending class

Again for clarity: blocking those students have been ruled illegal: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/14/ucla... so no invention from the Whitehouse was needed. Unlike the Whitehouse, the university involved feels compelled to follow the law, so that's the end of the matter. It also wasn't necessary at Harvard as it didn't happen at Harvard, so that can't be the reason it was included in their letter of demand.

DarkmSparks 4 days ago

The government is giving them money, the letter is informing them they will stop funding them if those committing crimes (racism is the crime here) are not removed from offices of power within the institution.

So Harvards response is to vigorously defend their right to hire racist criminals. They of course have that right.

But the US Government is also well within their rights to no longer fund them anymore in that situation. Which I'm pretty sure will be the only hard outcome from Harvards response.

They absolutely have the right to not cooperate, the US govt has no obligation to fund racist crayon munching idiots.