ceejayoz 6 days ago

The tax revenues from the $1.3T company that arose from their online yearbook?

Lawyers? Doctors? Medical research? Thousands of highly educated graduates annually? 161 Nobel prize winners?

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nonethewiser 6 days ago

Its not clear what the effect no Harvard would be on those metrics. And all of those are necessarily in Harvards best interest to maintain too.

This is compared to a direct payment to sustain operations which the government is saying they may not be in favor of. But its not like Harvard would say ”it may not be in our interest to produce successful people anymore.”

ceejayoz 6 days ago

Harvard isn't the first to be targeted, nor will they be the last.

The American university system is undeniably impactful on American success over the last century. It would be tough to put any sort of exact number on it, but we can absolutely say "a shitload".

nonethewiser 6 days ago

>The American university system is undeniably impactful on American success over the last century.

Merit based reforms would only help. What kind of DEI programs did Harvard have 100 years ago?

ceejayoz 6 days ago

> And merit based reforms would help continue this.

I look forward to some.

This ain't it.

nonethewiser 6 days ago

Ill settle for agreeing in principle that Harvard should be merit based

foldr 5 days ago

> What kind of DEI programs did Harvard have 100 years ago?

Amongst others, legacy admissions and discrimination against Jews, Catholics and non-whites. Let’s not pretend that Harvard’s admissions process, or American society more generally, was some kind of perfect meritocracy in 1925.

cm2187 6 days ago

Don't confuse the credential factory with the skills and quality of the underlying students. Harvard is little more than a toll booth for students who were already smart and over-achieving. It's not like the teaching is extraordinary.

ceejayoz 6 days ago

Harvard does substantially more than teach undergrads.

cm2187 6 days ago

> Lawyers? Doctors? Medical research? Thousands of highly educated graduates annually?

ceejayoz 6 days ago

Lawyers and doctors aren't undergrads.

Medical research depends heavily on faculty and postgraduate folks.

Only some of their thousands of annual graduates are undergrads - about 1/3 of them, per Wiki.

cm2187 6 days ago

I am confused. Who says credentials only apply to undergrads?

ceejayoz 6 days ago

I said they do more than teach undergrads, to which you re-quoted me questioningly.

Include postgraduate folks and they're still doing a lot more than just teaching and credentialing. Places like Harvard output research, too.

kelipso 6 days ago

A university research lab is controlled by usually one professor or a very small number of professors. They can decide to move to another university and take the lab with them.