epolanski 6 days ago

The point of no return was January 6th 2021!

Once Americans pardoned an attempt by the sitting president to overthrow US democracy the game's over.

America desperately needs a huge revision to the powers conceded to individuals and should instead mature to a slower, maybe less effective at times, but stronger democracy that nurtures parliamentary debate and discourse.

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outer_web 6 days ago

It could have been water under the bridge if we simply did not re-elect him. But now we have a second term emboldened by de facto total immunity.

thrance 6 days ago

It would have been water under the bridge if him and his cronies all got perpetuity starting jan 7th and we never heard of them ever again. Instead the dems chose a demonstration of weakness, and showed that an attempt on our democracy would be punished by a strong worded reprimand, at best.

epolanski 5 days ago

It wasn't up to dems but courts imho.

bayarearefugee 5 days ago

Plenty of blame to go around including for the Democrats.

Responsibility for Merrick Garland's failure to adequately pursue Trump lies at Joe Biden's feet and will likely be the thing he is remembered for most in the history books* despite the fact that he had some decent domestic policy (and some horrific foreign policy).

* (assuming we work our way out of the current mess, if we don't he will be remembered for far worse things given that he's Trump's reflexive whipping boy despite the fact that it makes Trump look weak to keep droning on about Biden)

WeylandYutani 6 days ago

Disagree. Polarisation existed long before Trump. America was going to face this sooner or later. The culture war was always coming.

JumpCrisscross 6 days ago

> Once Americans pardoned an attempt by the sitting president to overthrow US democracy it's over already

By this logic it was “over already” at the end of the Civil War. Suspending habeus corpus, ignoring the courts and then meeting with public indifference will be the point of no return. Trump’s third term would just be the canary passing out.

ceejayoz 6 days ago

> By this logic it was “over already” at the end of the Civil War.

That may be true. The North won the war, but let the ideology that caused it fester.

shadowgovt 6 days ago

I think people frequently forget that the North didn't actually have the firepower to stamp out the ideology.

Like any ideology, you can't actually destroy it with force any other way than burning books and, eventually, men.

And whether or not that would have been wise: the war was extremely costly for the North and there was a non-zero chance that if they started dropping every third Southerner from the gallows the federal government would lose legitimacy in the eyes of the survivors on both sides of the Mason-Dixon and that'd be it.