doublerabbit 7 days ago

I am all for the Disney utopian fantasy of us living with animals.

However if universal communication was to be made. Don't you think that animals are going to be pretty pissed to discover what we have done with their kingdom?

"Hi Mr Dolphin, how's the sea today?" "Wet and a plastic bottle cap got lodged in my blowhole last night..."

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iury-sza 6 days ago

There's an Apple TV+ series called Extrapolations with a plot of a dystopian future heavily affected by climate change. One of the plotlines involve humans successfully developing the technology to communicate with humpback whales.

So, the story involves an animal DNA archivist interacting with what's presented as the last living humpback whale, focusing on its isolation etc. It turns out the research lab's goal is to trick the whale by faking mating signals, aiming to get it to reveal information about whale history and culture. It's essentially data mining the animal.

Nifty3929 7 days ago

I'm not suggesting a Disney utopian fantasy. I'm just suggesting that in a very pragmatic way, we can ask them questions and get meaningful answers, or ask them to do things for us.

What's going on down the the sea over there? Would you mind pulling that thing from here to there?

Or whatever - I don't know what we'll figure out to do, but certainly something.

As far as them being mad at us, I doubt they will be, but I'd be interested to get their perspective - if they have one.

I do not believe we can expect anything resembling a human level of intelligence to be discovered.

nirav72 6 days ago

Or do you mind going over there and planting this round thing to the side of the ship belonging to the other humans?

lesuorac 7 days ago

I suspect Dolphins can tell people apart and will recognize you as not the guy that threw the bottle cap akin to all those stories about crows.

Certainly will be interesting to see how much we can bribe Dolphins to do once we have faster communication methods.

sally_glance 6 days ago

I think you're overestimating the dolphins here. Even humans have trouble not placing collective blame on groups of people they don't know well - it even has a name in social psychology, the "out-group homogeneity effect". Just think about opposing political groups or international relations.

9dev 7 days ago

So you think you’re not responsible for the fucked-up oceans because you let other people throw your trash into the sea for you, and the organically farmed salmon you eat surely wasn’t produced under atrocious conditions?

Der_Einzige 6 days ago

Embrace antinatalism and life denial or embrace amor fati. Sitting on the sidelines like so many others do on this topic is intellectually bankrupt.

lesuorac 6 days ago

Eh, collective punishment is the fallacy.

These problems are generally industrial in nature so it's very knowable as to where a large source of pollution comes from.

There just isn't a political will to actually enforce laws.