rocqua 6 days ago

Harvard just earned some reputation with me. It was already a place with great research. But now, it is also in institution with actual moral fiber.

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hn_throwaway_99 6 days ago

While I agree with this, if you read the letter of demands from the administration I don't think Harvard had any choice. I think the letter was much more egregious than what the Columbia demands were (at least from what I read about the Colombia demands). I think if Harvard had acquiesed it wouldn't have much reason to exist anymore, and I say this as a Harvard alum who took plenty of issue with the direction of the university in recent years.

In contrast, most of the demands I read for Columbia, except for the one about putting the Middle Eastern studies department under some sort of "conservatorship", seemed relatively reasonable to me if they hadn't come from the barrel of a gun and from an administration who has clearly defined any criticism of Israel and any support for Palestinians as anti-Semitism.

palmotea 6 days ago

> Harvard just earned some reputation with me. It was already a place with great research. But now, it is also in institution with actual moral fiber.

I'm not so sure. The Harvard endowment is huge. I might not be so much "moral fiber" as having enough fuck you money that risks don't matter as much as they do to others.

kenjackson 6 days ago

No. This fight will be much bigger than money. It’s true they have money, but this will be a literal fight of academic freedom against authoritarianism.

tines 6 days ago

I guess the nice thing is, the bad guys picked a fight against Harvard Fucking Law.

otterley 5 days ago

Plus Quin Emanuel and King and Spalding are representing Harvard against the Trump Administration. These firms are among the best of the best.

1970-01-01 6 days ago

More of that! When a mountain of old money is suddenly put at risk, it can easily be mistaken as moral fiber. We will see if Harvard suddenly decides to defend others, or just fend for itself.

apercu 6 days ago

> actual moral fiber.

Maybe? Or maybe they realize that they will lose all future credibility with students, government and NGO's if they bow to the conservative & Christian right?

There are two outcomes for the the current American government situation - a slide in to authoritarianism (it's right there in Project 2025), or these wackjobs get voted out because they are destroying global financial stability.

If it's the former, Harvard eventually has to cave because literal Nazi's.

If it's the latter, Harvard is screwed if they capitulate.

throwway120385 6 days ago

The thing is there's really no choice. The version of Harvard we get if they cave is the same as burning it all down. It would be dead as an educational institution and would only serve to foster the same kind of insane doublethink that leads people to ask for "diversity in viewpoints" at the same time they ask for the removal of the viewpoints they disagree with.

duxup 6 days ago

Edited:

Yes, I doubt they're cool with the ideas in the letter like the federal government auditing everyone's "viewpoint diversity" and mandating staffing changes to fit what the federal government wants.

apercu 6 days ago

I think.... you're agreeing with me?

duxup 6 days ago

I am, I misread your response, my bad.

oehtXRwMkIs 6 days ago

I don't know, is it moral to give legitimacy and a platform to someone like J. Mark Ramseyer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Mark_Ramseyer)? Less clear example would be keeping around Roland Fryer.

arp242 6 days ago

I find that very few people and even fewer institutions are consistently always on the right side of things morally, even in very clear-cut cases (never mind that what exactly the "moral thing" is, is a whole discussion in itself). It's probably better to look at the overall pattern rather than a incidents (either good or bad).

I have no opinion on Harvard myself by the way; I don't know enough about it. I'm just saying this is not an especially good criticism.