timschmidt 8 days ago

> What in the history of the US makes you believe it will be done sustainably?

Unions, labor law, the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_sit-down_strike in which the national guard and police used automatic weapons against striking workers, the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Hall_disaster immortalized in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oz7oguguIZE the winning of the work week, overtime pay, healthcare of any kind, holidays, payment in legal tender, existence of the country in the first place... so much more. I won't sugar coat it, no human endeavor is ever perfect, but I find the attitude that we can't do it, or we don't want to do it here as backwards and regressive. Worthy of rebuke. If our society depends on something, we should have no shame in doing it here. And if we can't figure out how to do it here safely, then we definitely shouldn't be doing it elsewhere.

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9283409232 8 days ago

These are all great accomplishments for labor law but they have nothing to do with sustainability. Maybe I'm not being clear, when I say sustainably, I mean for the environment. Most energy companies won't even admit climate change is real or severely downplay it. So no, I still don't think it will be done sustainably.

timschmidt 8 days ago

> These are all great accomplishments for labor law

You asked me about what inspired me. I told you. If you need environmental wins, there's:

- Erin Brockovich vs. Pacific Gas & Electric (1993 Settlement)

- Dewayne Johnson vs. Monsanto (2018)

- Robert Bilott vs. DuPont (PFOA Contamination Cases, 1990s–2017)

- Roundup Litigation Beyond Johnson (2019–2020s)

- Founding of the EPA

- Passage of the clean water act

Just for a start.

Feel free to snatch defeat from the jaws of success before ever trying, though. Much easier that way. And probably someone else's fault.