xbmcuser 9 days ago

The US economy was not built on a free-market. US private capitalists have been built on a free market; now that their profits are under attack because they are being outcompeted by China, so they are running away with the ball. American economy real growth, where most white Americans gained wealth, came after World War II, where it was government led and controlled. It was the same for Europe, where they had to rebuild all that was destroyed after the war. It was all mostly government controlled and financed.

The problem today is that US and European capitalists are in power and do not want to admit that the Chinese economic model of government-controlled economic direction, though not perfect, would work better and help all the world's people rather than the select few. As China becomes the dominant economy, the rest of the world has to follow to stay competitive. So these are the death knell of a dying economic and government system. The US had the chance to bring real change for the people with Bernie Sanders, but that was scuttled by the capitalist non-democratic forces, allowing for the rise of Trump. US citizens have been hoodwinked by linking socialist thought, where caring about your fellow man is undemocratic, i.e., socialism.

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ponector 9 days ago

>>Chinese economic model of government-controlled economic direction, though not perfect, would work better and help all the world's people rather than the select few

Is it better? For some reason average European lives better then Chinese, inequality is also not so huge

rchaud 8 days ago

"For some reason", really?

The US reconstructed Europe after WW2 using its own funds mostly and has subsidized its defense spending for the past 80 years and counting.

Europe also has enormous amounts of resource wealth expropriated from its many colonies around the world, plus significant ownership stakes in resource supply chains in those countries that persists to this day. Every single Russian oligarch, plus dictators in Asia and Africa have stashed their wealth in European banks.

dtquad 9 days ago

>the Chinese economic model of government-controlled economic direction, though not perfect, would work better

You want the US government to provide more subsidies to US tech companies so they can stay competitive? Because that is what China is doing for its tech sector.

xbmcuser 9 days ago

You only look at the surface China is subsidizing everything but at the same time forcing the companies to share the wealth created with all of its populace not just the company and company share holders.

Subsidizing companies is not the problem not sharing the wealth with the workers is the problem. US not subsidizing it companies is bullshit fed to you. As Boeing, Tesla, SpaceX, Microsoft from the tel-cos to the power suppliers to banks and hedge fund all have been subsidized by American tax payers or are still being subsidized with and you get share buybacks. Americans are being bullshitted into loosing their social and healthcare subsidies in favor of giving it to corporations but the sharing back of the wealth in conveniently forgotten

Igrom 9 days ago

>You only look at the surface China is subsidizing everything but at the same time forcing the companies to share the wealth created with all of its populace not just the company and company share holders.

Do you have in mind any examples that make your case the strongest? In particular, examples caused by subsidy to the company, and not to the population[1].

[1] like this one: https://www.gov.cn/zhengce/202501/content_6997459.htm

const_cast 9 days ago

The US already subsidizes these companies, sometimes more severely.

The problem is these companies are thieves, mostly. They just take the money and pocket most of it. Infrastructure be damned.

And when the house of cards inevitably tumbles down, they don’t pay the price. The gains are private, but the losses are public.

US companies always favor tomorrow, not next week. They look to enriching themselves NOW. But in doing so they take on a debt. They put everything on a metaphorical credit card. Eventually the competition is too hot and they have to pay their debt very quickly, and they shutter despite their subsidies and long-running success.

throw310822 9 days ago

Why not if it brings long term benefits to the country?

Better than putting that money in the military, isn't it?

woah 7 days ago

> US private capitalists have been built on a free market; now that their profits are under attack because they are being outcompeted by China, so they are running away with the ball.

You're acting like the tariffs are a big conspiracy by the "private capitalists", but the "private capitalists" are the most opposed, if you look at the reaction of the market.

Not sure why you mentioned Bernie Sanders, but he has been one of the most pro-tariffs politicians in America for many decades. That's one of the reasons the left has been caught so flatfooted by this and seems to have no response: the policies they have supported forever have been shown to be disasterous.