ohgr 10 days ago

So on that basis you think the market is happy with shit things made very fast?

I can assure you it's not. And people are starting to realise that there is a lot of shit. And know that LLMs generate it.

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tpmoney 9 days ago

The “market” for almost any definition of that you can choose is demonstrably happy with “shit things made fast” provided that the “shit” thing still mostly works. Within rounding error, no one is paying for any artisan hand crafted products. Today it’s AI, last decade it was Chinese products, before that it was Japanese products. If you can get an 80% solution for 50% of the price, most people are doing that. How often do you “sort by price” when shopping? When was the last time you bought the more expensive higher quality version of something you don’t have a passion for?

Or if you want to keep it in the realm of computers, “worse is better” clearly won out. The world uses Linux, not Unix much to the chagrin of the people who wrote the Linux Haters Handbook (regardless of how tongue in cheek that might have been).

And the take away from history should be that AI might be “shit” now, but it will improve. If you don’t remember the days when “Made in Japan” was a marker of “shit”, that’s because things that are “shit” can improve faster than things that are “not shit” can maintain their lead.

ohgr 9 days ago

You assume it will improve. There is an asymptote from what I can see.

tpmoney 9 days ago

Surely you're not seriously that we've hit the peak (or even the top of an S curve) of what AI is capable of right? Even if you think LLMs have a limit to what they can do and current AI is overhyped (both of which I would agree with) I find it difficult to believe you really think what we have today is the best AI will ever be able to do.

ohgr 9 days ago

The problem is there isn’t a viable revenue model. The moment you ask money for it the customers disappear. That means there isn’t a revenue stream to support the extreme cost of model training.

And this is all paid for by people who expect a return. In the middle of a very volatile market.

It’s dead even from a non technical perspective.

From a technical perspective every reducing gain requires more money than the last step. That isn’t something that ever works.