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There is an ongoing genocide in Gaza and genocidal language is commonplace in Zionist discourse. If there are cases of hate speech on the pro Palestinian side, they pale in comparison to speech from the other side.
Regardless we shouldn’t be rounding up and imprisoning folks if they disagree with your politics. This is what is getting lost in this specific case.
I don't remember the pro single state pro Israel protest. Don't know what it has to do with the question
>Do you think calling for the genocide of Jews
I'm guessing the motte associated with this particular bailey won't be nearly as clear in its violation of such codes.
If someone said they wanted another kistallnacht while holding torches and refusing to allow jews to walk down the street, would you know what they meant? Are they just talking about breaking some glass at a jewish wedding? Maybe they just want to go to one of those rage rooms?
Just so we're clear, people are still losing their minds when someone "finds" a noose-like knot in the vicinity.
There is no baily here.
You're still stuck on the bailey. Let's see the motte (in this case, some evidence of a pattern of calling for genocide of Jews at Columbia)
How about outright harassment of Jewish students at Columbia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_at_Columbia_Unive...
Does that qualify? No? Now replace Jewish with African American. Is that still OK in your book?
There was no significant harassment, and what harassment there was was a fraction compared to the harassment of Palestinian supports by others (including Jewish students and faculty). Even the article you posted points out that it's bunk at the top lol
Oh? No harassment. Well shoot, we should let the Jewish students know.
Jewish Students Sheltered Inside College Library During Protest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eFbKViNrMo
35 percent of of Jewish students say there has been violence or acts of hate targeting Jews on their campus https://www.hillel.org/more-than-one-third-of-jewish-college...
But sure, all good. The apologist for the violent maniacs says it's all good. So then it must be good.
That's like asking Stormfront if they think there's a threat from non-whites.
you got your terms confused, regardless Kristallnacht == intifada. People calling for a globalized intifada are literally calling for genocide of Jews everyone (including Columbia).
No, my terms are correct.
The bailey is: "they are calling for the genocide of Jews!!!"
Once challenged, you will retreat to the more easily proven: "they are advocating for the return the land to the Palestinian people", as you just did there. I can promise you that no group of people needs to be allowed to occupy a previously settled region with violence in order to continue to exist. I've heard this argument from white nationalists who call for a white nation to similarly preserve their people from perceived threats, as well as heard it numerous times in African settler colonies (Rhodesia, South Africa, etc.) It's a standard ethnostate talking point, and none of us are fooled by it.
Yes now you've corrected the terms, in your previous comment you claimed the motte was calls for genocide. Regardless, I'm defending what you're calling the bailey as it's easily defensible based on observable current events.
Care to explain how Kristallnacht is in any way different from an intifada? They are literally the same thing, a disorganized mob raping, murdering and attacking innocent civilians. The Arabs have done two intifadas, both resulted in countless dead and injured Jews who were attacked solely for being "el-yahud" aka "yuden" aka Jews.
As I said above, there is no motte and bailey fallacy here. You're the one making false claims about harassment of hamas supporters.
>Care to explain how Kristallnacht is in any way different from an intifada
Calls for a "global intifada" are simply calls to oppose the existence of the state of Israel as a settler colony in the land formerly known as Palestine. That's it. It is an immoral country, built by settlers as an ethnostate, and its existence is a moral stain on the world. Has literally nothing to do with "Jews" (I feel the same way about the Muslims in Nagorno-Karabakh right now) and everything to do with a bunch of jack boot fascists who ethnically cleansed an area and continue to oppress the remainder of the people there at gunpoint in massive concentration camps.
Calling for an intifada (which just means "resistance") against that is no difference than calling for the end of Rhodesia. This is a nation that made a man into a celebrity for raping prisoners.
Your whole comment is a lie and you and I both know that but I appreciate you lying so openly, makes it much easier to know who the nazis are. There is literally no difference between intifada and Kristallnacht, or a pogrom or a lynch mob, they're all the same thing. You haven't explained at all how they're different, instead you again whitewashed two 5+ year periods of murder, terror, harassment, hate, bigotry, and abuse that was directed at jews, and you are now saying more is needed because of an imagined history of "ethnic cleansing" by some supposed "ethnostate" (whatever that means). You claim Jews are a moral stain on the world... which again sounds so similar to what a certain failed Austrian artist whose book happens to be super popular in gaza used to say...
Really, you right now are guilty of the motte and bailey fallacy, because as you just made up a bunch of indefensible claims so I really am interested to know what your motte is here. how turn the tables...
If you don't know what an ethnostate is, you shouldn't have posted this so late on a school night hahaha
But am I to understand from your comment that the current campaign in Gaza is intrinsically tied to Judaism?