JKCalhoun 8 days ago

Wild that he is some kind of exception. Rolling over, folding is not the university culture I remember.

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rincebrain 8 days ago

There wasn't, historically, the level of enormous potential negative consequences legally and practically if the universities talked back.

Universities, like many institutions, have also become more like large incumbent businesses than previously - e.g. perpetuating their own existence over having strong core values.

toddmorey 8 days ago

This is really well articulated. It's like how a company uses fiduciary responsibility to shareholders to justify a pivot away from some kind of principled stance.

cess11 8 days ago

Might have been a mistake to let some of them turn into real estate hedge funds.

Thorrez 8 days ago

Biden was considering withholding federal funds from schools over their vaccine policies[1], and tried to withhold federal funds from schools based on how they treat transgender students[2], but that was blocked by a judge. Obama did a similar thing regarding transgender students[3].

Things like this are why Hillsdale College rejects all federal funds. So they can do what they want without threat of the government revoking funding[4].

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-vaccines-delta...

[2] https://www.texastribune.org/2024/06/12/texas-title-ix-lgbtq...

[3] https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/05/13/477896804...

[4] https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/07/the-co...

rincebrain 8 days ago

Sure, but my argument was not "the federal government has never done this", but that "colleges have usually felt secure that this would not be done to them if they defended student protests", or at least, if we're being cynical, "that they would have an opportunity to walk it back if their calculations were incorrect".

Aeolun 8 days ago

I don’t feel like the reasons behind this are the same.

Biden/Obama: We want you to accept and protect everyone

Trump: I want you to deliberately reject certain races and nationalities, and close all the departments studying stuff I don’t like.

Jensson 8 days ago

> Trump: I want you to deliberately reject certain races

Which race are colleges not allowed to accept? Source for this?

kevingadd 8 days ago

The current administration refers to inclusion of PoC and women as "DEI", so when they talk about ending DEI, that's what they mean.

See https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/17/defense-depa... for one example where it's particularly blatant.

Jensson 8 days ago

> The current administration refers to inclusion of PoC and women as "DEI", so when they talk about ending DEI, that's what they mean.

I call bullshit on them wanting to ban women and black people from colleges, that is not what they mean when they say end "DEI", you are crazy.

Can you post a single link where they even hinted at wanting to ban black people and women from colleges? That is such an egregious accusation that you need more than just that they took down a page about a black guy.

Aeolun 7 days ago

> I call bullshit on them wanting to ban women and black people from colleges

Oh I’m sure it’s not as egregious as them wanting to ‘literally’ ban them. There’s no need for something quite that drastic. But think of how much nicer the place would be (not to mention more useful for networking) if none of these poor people were ever accepted in the first place.

CaptWillard 8 days ago

Not sure when you graduated, but I've seen a complete inversion.

Much like 90s rockers, they now rage exclusively on behalf of the machine.

JKCalhoun 8 days ago

1990, FWIW.

Spooky23 8 days ago

Many universities are more like family offices that operate schools. Columbia is historically one of the biggest slumlords in NYC through their various entities.

insane_dreamer 8 days ago

> not the university culture I remember.

that's because universities are now businesses first, research institutions second, and academic institutions third

red_admiral 8 days ago

This point gets to the heart of the matter. The more I look into it, everything else seems downstream from this.

dudinax 8 days ago

And yet the US has some of the best universities in the world academically.

bdangubic 8 days ago

it absolutely does not. you pay for paper and the network. the education, except at few rare exemptions, is subpar. talk to any asian and european and ask what they think of attending uni in the US :)