banku_brougham 2 days ago

Do black and white laser printers produce tracking dots?

Also, what is the meaning of this tracking, must every corner of our lives be tracked just on principle?

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rustcleaner 2 days ago

I can't affirm knowledge of steganographic identifiers in B&W printers. I wanted to state I would be surprised if B&W printers did not embed tracking information. There's too much national security value in spamming origination details on everything. There is always, always a safety or security argument to do so, followed with "but what's the harm, you're not doing anything you shouldn't be doing... are you? "

doctoboggan 2 days ago

It's my understanding that the secret service requested (required?) that the printer manufacturers start adding the dots once the printers got good enough to easily recreate paper bills. Because they are primarily a tool for tracking counterfeiters, they are not needed with black a white printers and thus are not included.

krupan 2 days ago

The tracking dots aren't for anti-counterfeiting. The secret service has a separate chunk of code in every color printer that detects if you are printing money and prints out a page that says essentially, "you can't do that." (at least that was the case 20 years ago when I worked for HP).

The tracking dots are used by the FBI if someone prints out classified information and passes it around, or other copyrighted/illegal documents.

Doxin 1 day ago

The EURion constellation[0] is how that detection mostly works as I understand it. Neat bit of tech. It's real obvious on euro bills once you know what to look for. Fun fact: not all printers give a hoot about this pattern, so it's a neat trick to annoy people with if your printer doesn't.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation

theGeatZhopa 1 day ago

mostly, the software in printers/scanners and Adobe's Photoshop alikes is looking out for the "EURion" pattern.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation

That is not to be confused with (dynamical) and non-visible tracking info on printed sheets, which in fact can have everything coded in. By that, even 1-bit printouts can be identified up to the source. If the printer model and #salt is printed alongside, the prosecution has evidence for the cases the printer involved.

axus 1 day ago

https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-d...

List hasn't been updated since 2017, was probably one guy making inferences from FOIA requests. We'll have to wait until the next time a Chinese university publishes some US government secrets.

jandrese 2 days ago

I think the idea is that nobody is going to be fooled by a B&W $20 bill, so they don't have to print the dots.

dylan604 2 days ago

"money be green, fool!" --D'Angelo Barksdale, The Wire

the only people to be fooled by B&W money are most likely drug related, at least, the only ones willing to attempt to fool others with it.

crtasm 2 days ago

Until you colour it in with a crayon.

tonyedgecombe 1 day ago

No yellow dots on monochrome printers.

Decades ago I worked on some software that would adjust the kerning on characters to hide information. As far as I know the project never went anywhere.