nickpsecurity 9 days ago

I was a fan of the Guardian back during the Snowden leaks. Ive had to dodge them in recent months for what you described. Since people are doubting you, let's look at the headlines on the front page of a newspaper they is mostly factual despite having some bias. Here we go:

Musk is evil, most scientists warning about Trump, Trump takes over Chips Act, and Trump is a "dictator."

Then, Trump cuts Planned Parenthood, Trump reviews Harvard for antisemitism claims, and Trump pardons "Jan 6 loyalist."

Also, Israel are killers and woke people were right per someone on TV. Then, a few, normal pieces of news if the articles themselves had no slant.

Most of the front page would make those considering source integrity wonder if the paper was funded by a top opponent of Trump or Musk specifically to attack them. I'm not saying there's any data for that. I'm saying that, as a former liberal who used to want high-quality news with a range of views, I'd have thought the Guardian today was as extremely polarized as CNN or Fox.

Then, a popup that billionaires control the media with only two, right-wing ones mentioned. No mention that richest oligarchs funding or controlling education, media, and political campaigns are leftist:

https://youtu.be/fwZPrgcSRaw

Such papers are highly misleading with much drama following the games they play.

It's unfortunate given that the Guardian's ownership model might let it be a politically neutral paper with a range of views. They could be independent with quality, non-extreme writing from many sides. We could see a range of views. If one side, reporting with data representing many perspectives where we know they aren't cherry picking.

I want more news like that. Even the reliable sources that write in endless attacks or pour gas on the fire are draining to read. I'd rather it just be a little work or even pleasant. I dread reading the news these days.

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smackeyacky 9 days ago

So to avoid being polarising, the guardian should stop reporting on the things that Trump is actually doing? What curious logic that is.

Nursie 9 days ago

Sometimes things are just bad, reporting on them at that point is a duty. Do you dispute that Trump has started talking about a third term? Or that those other actions are actually taking place?

> was as extremely polarized as CNN or Fox.

The guardian is an openly left-leaning publication, that's what it is, that's more or less what it's for.

If you're in the US I understand that you may not understand such a thing, or it may seem extreme to you because there is effectively no political left wing in America, and news is generally captured by oligarchs with a right-leaning slant. In the other geographies where the Guardian has a presence (UK, Australia) its reporting doesn't feel particularly extreme, probably because the ideas and viewpoints of the moderate left are a normal part of our political landscape, and we also have national broadcasters that are (generally, in intent) pretty neutral.

They're not in any way a Fox equivalent - the Guardian doesn't just make shit up or shit-stir for the sake of it, or try to pass itself off as an 'entertainment network' rather than news...

nickpsecurity 9 days ago

"If you're in the US I understand that you may not understand such a thing, or it may seem extreme to you because there is effectively no political left wing in America"

In America, almost all corporate outlets are Progressive left, most universities are, their politics were pushed into many big firms, and most of the government was liberal. They force their views on others in most places they control, too, with dissent not allowed.

A newer trend we saw during elections was them saying the same things in sync like they had a script. Recently, they all said positive things about Biden and Harris while saying negative things about Trump. They were willing to lie together many times. Like how liberal media reported Harris was the border czar in the past but all said it was a myth when Trump pointed it out. They also constantly misquote and lie about Trump which annoys me because I hate wasting time on lies or doing retractions.

The total, leftist control of major institutions and media... along with their games and lies... is the largest cause of the rise of Trump. It's why we now have kore accurate, but biased, reporting like The Daily Wire. Many people have left the Democrat party as a result of these things. Liberal news is lower rated by liberals than in the past.

Their control of media is proven by the fact that whatever you watch led you to believe they weren't in control of the media and country for a long time.

defrost 9 days ago

The point being made by Nursie above is simply that what you are calling "Progressive left" in the USofA is a position largely seen as centralist in other parts of the world.

By stating tht there is "effectively no political left wing in America" they are asserting that the furtherest political left position held in the USofA is a centralist one called "Progressive left" there in the US.