bigiain 2 days ago

I have absolutely no idea if you are being facetious or naive there.

Yes. Oracle is absolutely the tech vendor that's going to be dropped on the engineering team with zero input and no consideration for whether it fits the problems they have, after your CTO spends a a few days on the golf course and high end steak restaurants and, depending on how much money their enterprise sales team thinks they have, either high class escorts or sleazy strip joints. Given how common that story (or one very like it) is, I'm close to 100% certain those trips also include discreet photographers and hotel rooms wired with 4k video recording.

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LPisGood 2 days ago

> I have absolutely no idea if you are being facetious or naive there.

Neither, but perhaps worse: I am young.

Are there any compilations of apocryphal stories of the events you described? It sounds too fantastic to be real.

photon_rancher 1 day ago

Yes that sort of stuff happens all the time in the business side of things. There’s a reason it’s a trope.

Not to every company per se but it’s been commonplace well probably for as long as business itself has been.

Just an example - nothing that happened in wolf of wall street was original to them - just the getting famous for being caught part. And that was only a few decades ago.

The defense and finance industries are famous for that sort of thing. I’m sure it’s pervasive elsewhere too.

There’s nothing special about software or tech or clouds that makes schmoozing impossible.

droopyEyelids 2 days ago

It would be like people compiling stories of eating a sandwich. No one is doing it because of how unremarkable and common it is.

LPisGood 1 day ago

Many have written about Gavrilo Princip’s trip to the cafe - if the sandwich has sufficient intrigue and scandal around it, people will write (and read) about it.

franktankbank 2 days ago

You sound like Fortune 500 CTO material young man.

eru 2 days ago

OK, but this one is a pretty funny rebuttal:

> In 2000, Oracle attracted attention from the computer industry and the press after hiring private investigators to dig through the trash of organizations [...] When asked how he would feel if others were looking into Oracle's business activities, Ellison said: "We will ship our garbage to Redmond, and they can go through it. We believe in full disclosure."

eru 2 days ago

> [...] I'm close to 100% certain those trips also include discreet photographers and hotel rooms wired with 4k video recording.

Luckily, AI is about to make that particular tactic ineffective:

When you can deepfake any video evidence, the original becomes useless.

lanyard-textile 2 days ago

This is legitimately the first time I have ever seen it brought up too! I’ve never heard about this side of them.

Universally hated, but the legal aspects alone are hateworthy.