ngonch 4 days ago

Australia and New Zealand are insanely careless with personal data. I was shocked when I was asked to write my credit card details, including cvv, on a piece of paper in a beachside surfboard rental shop

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mvdtnz 4 days ago

A beachside surfboard rental shop is not "New Zealand". Stop being so ignorant.

shakna 4 days ago

Yeah, no. That's someone who is lazy and not following our rather comprehensive credit card regulations [0]. PCI DSS is required by both VISA and MasterCard, who are the only one's approved by said regulations. CVV storage is not permitted.

If you reported them, chances are, the business would be shut down.

[0] https://www.rba.gov.au/payments-and-infrastructure/payments-...

apimade 4 days ago

That is neither standard nor normal.

ngonch 4 days ago

Hotels always ask to physically take my credit card, random maintenance guys ask to access my apartment without a heads-up from the landlord. It's seen as normal, but in my book it's a bit careless.

technion 4 days ago

I agree that Australia could improve a lot but hotels will take a credit card scan at every country I've been to. In many other countries they also take your passport away and you wait a while to get it back.

greenmartian 4 days ago

> .. Australia could improve a lot but hotels will take a credit card scan

I've not had this done to me in Australia since late 90s early 00s. These days all it takes is a simple tap (or chip swipe) to put a temporary Hold[0] that's released on check-out (or next day).

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_hold

mvdtnz 4 days ago

Of course hotels take your CC, how else are they supposed to charge it? And maintenance men accessing your home without a heads-up is very much illegal and not commonplace.

no_carrier 4 days ago

They're not supposed to write the details down, which is what this person was referring to.

In Asia, they quite often take your CC details and enter it into a text field in their own system in case they need to process it later, including the CVV. Sometimes they're writing it down on paper.

They're not entering it into a PCI compliant system where the digits are masked.

bell-cot 4 days ago

Perhaps. From a distance (physical, social, or both) local norms of behavior are often non-standard and abnormal.

no_carrier 4 days ago

It's certainly not the norm in Australia, nor have I come across that in probably the last 15 or so years. Running your credit card through the terminal to place a hold on funds is done pretty much everywhere. I'm sure there's a few crusty old operators out there doing things the old way.

loktarogar 4 days ago

This isn't normal in Australia or New Zealand, at a national or a local scale. But you can't draw conclusions at a national scale from a local interaction, either way.

mvdtnz 4 days ago

What this person is describing are not norms here.

MomsAVoxell 3 days ago

Australians are very lax on human rights, including the right to privacy.

Pine Gap is the world’s largest network tap, after all, invalidating the human rights of close to 2 billion people, every single second of the day.

The nation was bred to be so compliant. Australians are not afraid of licking boots if it means cheap avocados can be smashed.

mixermachine 4 days ago

Had the same experience in Namibia in 2022. First I should sent them my credit card stuff via mail. Then via a website which looked like it would automatically write my data to a mail and send it to them :D.

I used a freshly generated virtual credit card with payment amount +20$ as a limit (just to be sure).

OptionOfT 4 days ago

I can't imagine how that would work with an Apple card? There's nothing printed on them.

gtm1260 4 days ago

on apple card you can always pull up the real card info on the app.

adamhartenz 4 days ago

This is the same vibes as "That's how they measure pants!"

protocolture 4 days ago

Everyone dogpiling on you is incorrect. This has been my experience as well.

I swear half my job these days is helping australian businesses retroactively purge themselves of plaintext card data.

I have seen some shit man.

kupopuffs 4 days ago

how can you care when all your stress is aimed towards staying alive