Const-me 5 days ago

> the main thermal issue when scaling up would be the cooling of the power supply itself, not of the lamp

If I would be scaling up that device, I would consider an ATX power supply. These are relatively large and typically include an active cooler inside, but they can easily supply hundreds of watts at 12V, often have an on/off switch on the back, are relatively inexpensive (at least unless you need much more than 500W of power), and are available everywhere. Usually, you just need to connect the PS_ON wire with the ground to make them turn on once powered.

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brcmthrowaway 5 days ago

Could you wire them in parallel for more watts

Const-me 5 days ago

Personally, I would avoid it if possible. Even if they are of the same model, small discrepancies may cause their +12V to be slightly different. At the very least, will cause very non-uniform load distribution.

Luckily, seems the OP only needs one. The current light only uses 36W @ 12V, even if they make the new light 10x more powerful, a single 400W PSU should do the job nicely.

foobarian 5 days ago

It's not like the fixtures consist of a single LED either. Should be trivial to parallelize.

brcmthrowaway 5 days ago

What about wiring them in parallel with a voltage regular after.

mystified5016 4 days ago

Then you waste a ton of energy on the conversion and still have the same problem. You won't ever get two regulators at exactly the same voltage. One will always take most of the load.

You get around this with load balancing resistors, but that comes with its own set of problems.

The way you get around that is to chop up your load into multiple independent power domains. That way each segment is powered exclusively by one supply.

If you can't do that, you will always be better off with a single larger supply.

brcmthrowaway 4 days ago

I meant in parallel so both positive terminals are connected to the regular in one node

Const-me 3 days ago

Imagine one PSU outputs 12.0V another one 12.1V, and there’s no load whatsoever.

When you connect them in parallel, the first PSU should detect negative load i.e. actual voltage lather than the target; I have no idea how real-world devices handle that condition.

The second PSU will detect load i.e. actual voltage smaller than the target one, will probably assume it happens because the load is pulling energy and will try to extract more power form the AC source to compensate, to make the output stay at the +12.1V target.

I’m not an expert electronics engineer, but to me the approach looks like a recipe for disaster.

It’s usually fine to connect chemical batteries in parallel for two reasons. They have that discharge curve i.e. the voltage decreases monotonously while discharging. If one of them has slightly higher initial voltage, will discharge until matched with the other one, and then both will discharge at about the same rate. Also, chemical batteries have ~fixed internal resistance i.e. the more current you pull from one, the less voltage you get due to that internal resistance.

AC to DC power supplies don’t have a discharge curve because nothing to discharge, they continuously pull energy from the input AC. They don’t have the concept of internal resistance either: when more output current is pulled from them (i.e. the load increases), they simply increase input current from AC (to a point, and then either a fuse blows up or the device catches fire). The dependency between output current and output voltage is not necessarily monotonous. But the worst of it, it depends on time because capacitors, also because the input is single-phase AC i.e. at some moments of time the input power is zero because the input AC voltage and current are zero.

LoganDark 8 hours ago

You really don't want to wire up power supplies like that in parallel because tiny voltage fluctuations could (read: would) cause all of the current to be drawn from one or the other instead of evenly distributing between them. You can, however, wire server power supplies up in series (I have done it successfully) with relatively more success, even though it's still not the greatest idea.

wtallis 4 days ago

At that point you might be better off getting a power distributor from an old server that was already designed to operate off redundant 12V power supplies. But you wouldn't want the server PSUs themselves due to the tiny loud fans.