brundolf 6 days ago

My guess (without value judgement) is he was referring to the fact that they don't really work without such software

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robertoandred 6 days ago

How's hardware supposed to work without software?

brundolf 6 days ago

Here's a similar situation with the macbook pro's speakers, from the Asahi Linux team (scroll down to "Audio Advances"): https://asahilinux.org/2022/11/november-2022-report/

Similarly they can't be used very effectively without special, complex software that involves physical simulation of the speaker hardware. Doing things this way allows them to reach an amazing level of compactness + volume, but at the cost of complexity

If Apple intended to support platform openness, they'd likely have made such software available to hackers. But they never enthusiastically encouraged that, so people like the Asahi team are left to reverse-engineer and reinvent everything they need that lives in software

stefan_ 6 days ago

With a hardware DSP? It's gonna have software in it, but doing this kind of processing in the upper most top level OS stack is certainly a choice.

argsnd 6 days ago

It seems like a good choice. It’s computationally extremely light and you can update it much more easily with new features (they actually did this once - to let you change the beamforming mode in the menu bar)

stefan_ 6 days ago

It is also notoriously time sensitive however, and while likely the hardware can already ensure the synchronization between mics, processing in the OS itself necessarily means buffering for a significant period so you don't run the risk of draining the pipe in a non-realtime system.

jervant 6 days ago

firmware

threeseed 6 days ago

Which is just software at a different layer.

qoez 6 days ago

Seems like a common pattern lately that apples hardware people continues to be top notch and the software group is slacking.

brundolf 6 days ago

That's not at all the takeaway. macOS has the requisite software built-in; the hardware is designed in such a way that it requires software assistance to function, which is a choice that has advantages and disadvantages. The OP exists for situations where you aren't running Apple's own beamforming software on this hardware (to my understanding)

CamouflagedKiwi 6 days ago

I don't think that's really fair here? The comment suggests the hardware doesn't work well without relatively complex software to support it, which seems to be the case on macos. That suggests the software group are keeping up their end at least.