infotainment 4 hours ago

Remember, no one is actually in favor of free speech. Everyone, and I mean everyone, regardless of their personal political views, wants to silence people they disagree with. I suspect this is some kind of trait inherent to human psychology.

Often, they’ll do so hiding behind complex philosophical rationales, but in the end the result is the same.

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anonnon 1 hour ago

> Everyone, and I mean everyone, regardless of their personal political views, wants to silence people they disagree with

Pure projection.

infotainment 7 minutes ago

Can you name anyone who was in ostensibly favor of free speech, and then, when given the opportunity to censor people, didn't seize it?

The obvious example would be Elon, the "free speech absolutist" whose principles only lasted about a week from taking over Twitter. On a smaller scale, you can see this play out with Reddit mods on individual subreddits for just about anyone on the political spectrum.

I suppose you could generalize my statement to "power corrupts", but the idea is the same.

ChicagoDave 4 hours ago

Filtering out trolls, passive aggressive jerkoffs, and outright verbal abuse is everyone's right. Musk (and Dorsey) believe those people have a "right" to do those things without being muted.

Right.

lelanthran 1 hour ago

> Filtering out trolls, passive aggressive jerkoffs, and outright verbal abuse is everyone's right. Musk (and Dorsey) believe those people have a "right" to do those things without being muted.

> Right.

Okay, when you get 99.999% of the population to agree on the definition of those terms and who they apply to, then sure ... let's take their voices away.

My personal observation over the recent years is that these slurs, and more, are applied to anyone not in a group (which is literally a vocal minority), by that very same group.

What we have now is a very vocal minority that is campaigning as if they have the support of the entire population, and they are calling anyone who doesn't support them some pretty awful names. Those terms of yours (and more, like "nazi") have been so diluted by overuse on the average person that they don't mean anything anymore.

People unsupportive of the current approach to treating gender dysphoria are accused of being awful humans, while those doing the shaming are ignoring that we regard other types of dysphoria as mental issues, not fixable via surgery.

More recently, I've noticed that the L, G and B individuals, that I personally know socially, are actively distancing themselves from the rest of that alphabet soup.

So, yeah, we need some new terms to define what an actual troll is, because now the meaning includes "doesn't support my campaign for $IDEOLOGY".