connicpu 10 hours ago

An indicator light hardwired is nice but I apparently can't trust hardware manufacturers to design it properly. My work laptop (HP Dragonfly) has a physical blocker that closes over the camera when I haven't explicitly pressed the button that enables the camera. The blocker is black and white stripes so it's very obvious when it's covering the sensor. This should absolutely be the security standard we all strive for with camera privacy.

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aendruk 7 hours ago

> The blocker is black and white stripes

On my ThinkPad it’s instead painted with a red dot. Because, obviously, the conventional meaning of a red dot appearing on a camera is “not recording”.

BuildTheRobots 5 hours ago

Not just the weird meaning, but on my last Thinkpad the red dot and the slightly red glean of the camera lens look surprisingly like each other. Even worse I managed to get the cover in a position where it looked like it was closed, but the camera could still see.

dole 8 hours ago

The Dell Latitude business laptops now have a wired led and wired switch. Besides the white led, there’s no indication which is on or off, and I don’t trust any of the software or firmware chain to be reliable. (score one for macs being transparent and prescient)

shiroiushi 31 minutes ago

Dell should go back to the basic design of the Latitude E6400, but with modern electronics and screen of course, and drop the optical drive. The keyboard on that laptop was fantastic, and the single captive screw on the back panel was great for serviceability.

jorvi 5 hours ago

For some inexplicable reason Dell has chosen to mark the button as "mute mic" (mic icon + X). So if the LED on the keyboard is lit up, the microphone is off, or rather, the microphone muting is on on. Brilliant design.

neuralRiot 9 hours ago

Probably the camera “power” is always on as any other microcontroller on the same board, but is only active when called through the control bus or an interrupt, having an LED tied to the power rail would keep it on all the time whenever the lapop is on.

grishka 6 hours ago

Then tie it to some signal or power rail that only gets enabled when the camera is in use, and that must be enabled for the camera to work, e.g. when there's power to the sensor itself.

kiwijamo 10 hours ago

Interesting, my work HP Probook does not have that functionality. I wonder why HP chooses to do this only for some laptop lines.

nox101 10 hours ago

I suspect most people don't want it. I can imagine lots of people calling customer service "Q: why doesn't my camera work?", "A: Did you open the cover?"

There's just a valid an argument to do the same for phones. How many phones ship with camera covers and how many users want them?

You can get a stick on camera cover for $5 or less if you want one. I have them on my laptops but not on my phone. They came in packs of 6 so I have several left.

https://www.google.com/search?q=camera+cover+laptop

netsharc 9 hours ago

> I can imagine lots of people calling customer service "Q: why doesn't my camera work?", "A: Did you open the cover?"

In some over-engineered world, when the camera cover is engaged the webcam video feed would be replaced by an image of the text "Slide camera cover open" (in the user's language) and an animation showing the user how to do so.

nrp 2 hours ago

We have that on the most recent generation of Framework Laptop. When the hardware privacy switch is engaged, the image sensor is electrically powered off and the camera controller feeds a dummy frame with an illustration of the switch.

vaylian 1 hour ago

Is there a video or some images of this somewhere? I would love to see a demonstration.

longdustytrail 6 hours ago

This doesn’t seem that wild to me. Zoom already prompts me to unmute my microphone when I cough.

JumpCrisscross 8 hours ago

It's also a moving part. Worse, a part the customer moves. Which means more opportunity for crap getting crammed in or breaking.

II2II 5 hours ago

The cover on my laptop's camera is behind the glass. I suppose there is a chance that the slider itself could get damaged, but at least they minimized the exposed surface that could be damaged.

That said, I really can't comment on how durable it is. I only remove the cover about a half dozen times a year.

moffkalast 10 hours ago

I had that exact discussion with somebody recently, and it took me a few minutes to realize that their laptop had a physical camera cover that somehow disables camera permissions in windows too. So yeah, happens a ton I would imagine.

dvngnt_ 9 hours ago

i miss android popup cameras.

MaxikCZ 10 hours ago

Money.

zeroping 10 hours ago

Supporting that theory: my HP EliteBook does have a slide-over cover.

(It could also be contention between thickness of the display vs enterprise customer sensitivity to cameras)