bee_rider 14 hours ago

I will always be amazed at these guys who did numerical algorithms before computers were a type of machine.

Something that has always confused me about these Russians, Chebyschev and Krylov, what use did they have for their iterative methods and subspaces? I guess they weren’t solving big sparse linear systems on distributed computers in the year 1900.

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Jun8 10 hours ago

Not in this case but sometimes mathematicians of old did have access to “computers”, ie savants who can do large calculations in their heads easily. Gauss used the services of such a person: https://hsm.stackexchange.com/questions/15609/autistic-assis...

IdealeZahlen 13 hours ago

"The History of Approximation Theory" by Karl-Georg Steffens is a great reference for historical contexts.

For Chebyshev, who devoted his life to the construction of various 'mechanisms' [1][2], his motivation was to determine the parameters of mechanisms (that minimizes the maximal error of the approximation on the whole interval).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanism_(engineering)

[2] https://tcheb.ru/

vector_spaces 11 hours ago

In particular he studied Watt's mechanism, which was an integral component of steam engines powering the industrial revolution in Western Europe. Its optimal configuration wasn't really well understood at the time which led to practical problems. Chebyshev traveled from Russia (which wouldn't really enjoy an industrial revolution till much later) to Western Europe and discussed with experts and people who operated these engines. He brought back to Russia with him notes and experimental data, and those informed the development of what would later be known as minimax theory, and Chebyshev polynomials which provide polynomial solutions to minimax problems.

In the course of developing that theory he founded the modern field of approximation theory, and the St. Petersburg school of mathematics. I think his approach of using applied problems and techniques to inform the development of pure math deeply influenced the whole of Soviet and Slavic mathematics in the century that followed

(and yes, the book by Karl-Georg Steffens is beautiful!)

Edit: To answer the grandparent's question, aside from things directly invented by Chebyshev or his students, often things are called "Chebyshev" when there's either a Chebyshev polynomial or a minimax problem lurking in the background

random3 14 hours ago

Ballistics, celestial bodies, even a ton of competitions between mathematicians. You can trace down analysis concepts to Archimedes easily, but by Descartes (rolling tangent) and eventually Newton / Leibniz who formalized calculus there was a lot of stuff happening. E.g. Descartes was contemporary with Galileo. So applied math and the theoretical part was under natural philosophy that eventually became physics.

gmiller123456 13 hours ago

I was reading a book from the early 1900's, and it referenced using computers to calculate some complex algorithms. Threw me for a loop, and I finally realized the author was talking about people. Apparently it was a thing to send long computations to a room/building full of people and get the answer back.

SideQuark 12 hours ago

The word "computer" to describe a person who does computations dates back into the 1600s, and is exactly where we got the current word.

Up to around 1940, the vast majority of the world's computers were people, and there were legions of them across all areas of government and industry.

There were around 250 total automated computers in 1955, around 20,000 in 1965, so I doubt human computers were outnumberd until the 1970s/1980s at best.

bee_rider 13 hours ago

I wonder if the “programmers” could be much sloppier back then. “Find the eigenvalues? Which ones? You know, the ones we always want!”

HPsquared 12 hours ago

Prompt engineers, basically.

adrian_b 8 hours ago

The first job of my father, after finishing his university studies, three quarters of century ago, when there were only a handful of electronic computers in the entire world, was as a "computer" at an astronomical observatory.

With the revenue secured by that job, he decided that he can afford to marry my mother.

Kabootit 10 hours ago

Are we talking about the book "Souls in the Great Machine" or real history?!

gmiller123456 7 hours ago

It was a book on positional astronomy, I don't remember the title.

srean 12 hours ago

> I finally realized the author was talking about people. Apparently it was a thing to send long computations to a room/building full of people and get the answer back.

s/people/women/g

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/history-human-...

gowld 8 hours ago

s/women/people/g

No need to promote sex-based divisiveness.

From your own link:

"So the French mathematician Alexis-Claude Clairaut decided to break the work up—by dividing the calculations among several people. In 1757, he sat down with two friends, the young astronomer Jérôme-Joseph Lalande and Nicole-Reine Lepaute, a clockmaker’s wife with a penchant for numbers. ... The age of human computers began."

"By the 19th century, scientists and governments were beginning to collect reams of data that needed to be processed, particularly in astronomy, navigation and surveying. So they began breaking their calculations down into tiny basic math problems and hiring gangs of people to solve them. The work wasn’t always hard, though it required precision and an ability to work for long hours. Mostly, the computers were young men."

"But by the late 19th century, some scientists realized that hiring women could reduce the cost of computation. The growth of education and middle-class prosperity had produced a generation of young women trained in math. So when the Harvard Observatory decided to process years of astronomic data it had gathered using its telescope, it assembled one all-female team of computers."

dhosek 13 hours ago

I was playing around with an idea that there might be some insight into Fermat primes by looking at products of complex solutions of polynomials of the form x^{2^n)+1=0, and Chebyshev polynomials came up as I was looking at the exact values of those roots.¹² As I recall, looking at finding half angle sines and cosines of increasing fractions, I ended up seeing Chebyshev polynomials emerging from the results.

1. I may have this confused with my similar investigations into Mersenne primes and x^p-1=0.

2. My hypothesis that I could find factors of a Fermat number with n > 5 by multiplying the roots together and setting x = 2 failed on writing a program to actually check the result, but looking back on my memories of doing this, I may have made an error.

SideQuark 12 hours ago

Chebyshev polynomials have as roots nth roots of unity, so of course these are going to show up. It's one way to define them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chebyshev_nodes

The nth roots of unity are incredibly well studied, and some of that stemmed in the 1700-1800s on trying to factor things. The entire field of analytic numbers theory has taken these ideas to incredible (think decades of study and research to be state of the art) depths.

jacobolus 12 hours ago

More explicitly: Chebyshev polynomials are what you get when you take trigonometric polynomials for a periodic interval or Laurent polynomials on the unit complex circle and project onto a diameter of the circle.

HPsquared 12 hours ago

Anything that can't be solved analytically, I suppose. That's a pretty huge range of problems!

bee_rider 11 hours ago

For sure it is!

The odd thing with what I listed is that these methods (nowadays) are really mostly useful for massive sparse problems, which wouldn’t really be practical without computing machines.

I’m pretty sure the Chebyschev semi-iterative method for solving linear systems is just named after his polynomials (and you can use his polynomials by hand for other stuff), but I really am at a loss as to what Krylov was up to.