yjftsjthsd-h 1 day ago

> You knew your device was no longer supported and would no longer receive security updates

I'm less confident that this is true. I think I know what the EOL is for all my networking equipment[0], you probably know the EOLs on your networking equipment, but I would wager that a majority of the population very understandably regards these things as appliances that you buy, plug in, and then it works indefinitely, and they do not in fact have any clue when the vendor will decide to stop providing security patches for it.

[0] Actually, now that I think about it no I don't; I was thinking of the core bits that I control, but the edge of my network is an ISP-provided box that I know essentially nothing about. Given that I don't manage it, I hope my ISP will send me a new one when it hits EOL but I don't know that.

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TheRealPomax 1 day ago

As an adult paying for your ISP service: you have some responsibility here. Whether you want that responsibility or not.

bdangubic 1 day ago

you are on HN so this makes sense to you. imagine your car was hacked while driving your family in the middle of the desert and bricked. as an adult that bought the car is this your responsibility that you endangered your family’s well-being?

TheRealPomax 1 day ago

A legally binding as well as moral yes. If you drive a 2000 pound death machine, know how it can kill you. The idea that you are somehow not culpable in the situation you've given is baffling. Of course you are.

bdangubic 1 day ago

you should delete this comment :)

TheRealPomax 20 hours ago

nah, people who know that cars kill a _whole_ bunch of people each year, and believe that car ownership should come with full responsibility by the owner when it comes to whether their computer-on-wheels is compromised or not are just as free to post to HN as people who think that that's not the car owner's responsibility. If you have car with remote shutoff/control, you owe it to both yourself and especially your family to stay up to date on news about that. The world's bigger than just the US, some countries place more value on personal responsibility than others.

bdangubic 19 hours ago

so in your world anyone that uses anything which is connected to the internet (which is basically everything) needs to be a cybersecurity engineer? :)

my dad (and most dads) will be pissed he can’t drive his EV or anything of the tech gadgets he likes cause he’s not technically qualified for ownership and responsibilities that comes with it…? that sounds reasonable :)

in this world I would say the very least business could do is put up a disclaimer on the product “requires PhD from Carnegie Melon to own”