thrance 2 days ago

I'd argue the parent's socioeconomic status is a much better predictor of IQ than "race".

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tick_tock_tick 2 days ago

But that never shows up in the data? Seriously, people always like to bring this idea up like it's not been studied to hell and back. Socioeconomic is not a stronger factor.

belkala 1 day ago

Your data shows one of two things:

1. IQ scores differ between race because of inherent differences in intelligence.

2. IQ scores differ due to outside factors such as racism and socio-economic factors.

Point 1 is racist, you provide no proof for it, and all studies I can find indicate that this is not the case.

So that leaves us with point 2, which is precisely the point the article is making.

P.S: Literally the first result when searching for "socio economic factors iq": https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4641149/ It probably does not explain the full difference because there are more disadvantages such as racism, cultural factors.

thrance 1 day ago

Then why do you suppose IQ is correlated to race? Are black people's brains really different from jewish people's?

Or is it that black people are on average raised in poorer communities, with poorer schools, less educated parents and less access to cultural material?

The issue with you presenting that data as is, like there is a natural hierarchy of races, is that you are omitting the real reason we observe those discrepancies. Socioeconomic status, or place of birth or whatever else.

Seeing how a lot of people in the country are resurrecting some terrible ideologies of the past to justify mass deportation, I really don't see how that helps anything.

pessimizer 2 days ago

The main predictor is early childhood reading for pleasure. A suspicion is that the early start gives a lead that is almost impossible to make up, as life gets more busy, not less, when people get older.

Early childhood pleasure reading requires parents that have enough reading skill themselves and the free time to teach you how to read, and childhood access to a wide variety of interesting books at a range of levels. Those are things that are going to be correlated with your parents' wealth. And your grandparents' wealth. As a slave descendant, my parents were the first people in the history of my family who were able to read easily. One still had to pick cotton as a child to get spending money.