exe34 2 days ago

it's a perfectly good phrase to describe what it says. if that bothers you, maybe you need to ask yourself why.

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standardUser 2 days ago

> if that bothers you, maybe you need to ask yourself why.

That's even vaguer and less compelling rhetoric than "virtue signaling".

lern_too_spel 2 days ago

In my experience, people who use the term "virtue signalling" don't understand the problems that the supposed virtue signalers are trying to solve and simply use the term as a cheap dismissal of their policies. If the policies are bad, explain why they're bad. Don't just say that people putting the 10 Commandments in schools are virtue signalling.

exe34 2 days ago

Or indeed, it's possible that neither you nor the virtue signallers understand why they're doing it.

aspenmayer 2 days ago

Regardless of whether or not either interlocutor understands the term, using the term virtue signaling itself is self-defeating for both parties for different reasons.

For the one hearing it, it’s a red herring, and for the one saying it, it’s a dog whistle. For the third party person reading the interaction without or with lesser context, it’s a thought-terminating cliche.

exe34 1 day ago

> For the third party person reading the interaction without or with lesser context, it’s a thought-terminating cliche.

if one's thought is so easily terminated, maybe there wasn't as much thought as one might think to begin with.

aspenmayer 23 hours ago

If good faith weren't a prerequisite for reasoned debate, perhaps.

exe34 17 hours ago

remember, we're talking about somebody getting triggered by the words "virtue-signalling", so I think good faith left the conversation a few stops back.

lern_too_spel 1 day ago

I understand that they're trying to fix a perceived problem. In the case of the people pushing the 10 Commandments in schools, they earnestly believe they're going to solve teen pregnancy, drug usage, etc. Saying that they're virtue signalling ignores the problem and strawmans the reason for their proposal. Saying why their policy won't work and another will addresses the problem.