jaimex2 2 days ago

Musk has said several times Lidar is great. It's just a stupid idea for automotive use and he's not wrong.

There's nothing similar in nature for a reason.

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bobsomers 2 days ago

Airplanes don't flap their wings and boats don't wag their tails.

Assuming that all technology should imitate nature is a naive engineering principle. The solution should solve the problem within the given constraints.

jaimex2 2 days ago

Nature came up with something much better in both those cases.

Portable, energy efficient, light, doesn't need refined oil, tightly steers...

Boats and aeroplanes are terrible in comparison. They only work due to a huge network of global effort.

542354234235 2 days ago

>They only work due to a huge network of global effort.

And horses don’t need roads like cars do and cars only work thanks to a huge network of global effort. What point are you trying to make? That we abandon planes until we can develop flight as efficient as nature? Abandoning LIDAR until we can develop visual light perception and processing equal to the human eye and brain?

vel0city 1 day ago

I don't see many birds around able to carry an extra 280,000lbs for 2,300 miles without having a meal.

itishappy 2 days ago

Time of flight ranging is used in nature by bats and whales/dolphins.

maxbond 2 days ago

My back of the napkin estimate is that a human using time of flight ranging would be unable to distinguish between an object directly in front of their face and 8.6 meters away[1]. I think human echolocation uses a different mechanism (presumably relating to amplitude)?

Skimming the Wikipedia article[2], it seems like animals do use time of flight, but also Doppler shifting.

(As a side note, some animals have apparently evolved active countermeasures to echolocation!? It seems obvious in retrospect but incredibly cool.)

There's interesting research into the mechanisms of human echolocation [3], but it was over my head. My impression was that the jury is out as far as the precise mechanisms involved but that there's a lot of evidence to be considered, I'm sure someone with a better background would get more out of it than I did.

(I'm just curious about the mechanism, I agree that LIDAR has natural analogs.)

[1] Speed of sound * 25ms, 25ms being the rule of thumb I've memorized for the minimum interval for two sounds to register as distinct from each other. This is just folk wisdom I've picked up hacking on audio, so perhaps I'm mistaken.

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_echolocation

[3] https://durham-repository.worktribe.com/preview/1375913/1963...

jaimex2 2 days ago

Both primarily use their eyes. Look it up.

igorstellar 2 days ago

Rotorwings are also not found in the nature yet they give us ability to navigate in a short distance 3D space better than fixed wing.

edm0nd 2 days ago

Bats kinda have Lidar.

jaimex2 2 days ago

Echo location but they still mostly use their eyes. Same as dolphins

willy_k 1 day ago

Wouldn’t it be sonar?

bluGill 2 days ago

Nature makes for bad drivers. for some age groups cars are the largest causeof death. I self driving can do better.