digitalsurgeonz 3 days ago

>China will soon be more aggressive as any other empires.

in its entire history it has never invaded outside its traditional borders, and it achieved all this without invading or enslaving people. It will continue this way in future too :)

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throwaway14964 3 days ago

> Slavery in China has taken various forms throughout history. Slavery was nominally abolished in 1910,[1][2][3] although the practice continued until at least 1949.[4] The Chinese term for slave (nuli) can also be roughly translated into 'debtor', 'dependent', or 'subject'. Despite a few attempts to ban it, slavery existed continuously throughout pre-modern China, sometimes serving a key role in politics, economics, and historical events.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_of_the_Pe...

aguaviva 3 days ago

In its entire history it has never invaded outside its traditional borders

Vietnam, 1979.

Support for North Korea's invasion of South Korea 1950-1953.

Invasion of Indian-held areas in 1962 based on extremely dubious claims.

Not an invasion, but its support for the genocidal Khmer Rouge in the 1970s (who ended up invading Vietnam with Chinese arms) was quite significant.

Its current menacing of the Phillipines.

Claims about "traditional borders" are almost invariably nonsense.

mldqj 3 days ago

> Support for North Korea's invasion of South Korea 1950-1953.

China did not support North Korea's invasion. North Korea did not seek China's support initially and only asked for Stalin's permission. China would not have entered the Korea war at all if MacArthur did not disobey Truman and marched all the way to the Chinese border. He also publicly stated that he planned to bomb China. It was one of the reasons for which he was fired. All this was well documented in the US's own literature.

aguaviva 3 days ago

China did not support North Korea's invasion.

I don't see how to read China's dispatch of 1.5M combat troops, taking on some 110,000 battle deaths (thus saving the invasion from imminent collapse) other than as "support" for the invasion.

mldqj 1 day ago

By the time China entered the war, the invasion was already over. China entered the war for two reasons: 1) to make sure China was not invaded as MacArthur intended 2) to keep North Korea alive as a buffer, not to help invade South Korea. There was nothing to gain for China if the North unified Korea. Their relationship wasn't that good in the first place.

aguaviva 1 day ago

By the time China entered the war, the invasion was already over.

I don't see any substance the point you're trying to make here. One could try to say, "China was only trying to preserve North Korea's borders prior to the invasion". But once it pushed further south, into South Korea proper -- it was joining the invasion. There's nothing to debate here.

1) to make sure China was not invaded as MacArthur intended

And this just makes no sense at all.

MacArthur never intended to invade China, and didn't even start making noises about bombing China until after the it joined the war effort.

ebruchez 3 days ago

> it has never invaded outside its traditional borders

Your notion of "traditional borders" is where this becomes nonsense. With a little bit of revisionist history you can justify all sorts of invasions, such as the 1959 invasion of Tibet, or the desire to retake Taiwan. In reality, China is an empire, with several of its regions very unhappy to part of it (Tibet, Xinjiang, and probably more if you could only ask its people).

digitalsurgeonz 3 days ago

Only empire which exists right now is the western empire lead by US, its days are numbered, then when the propaganda curtain falls, it will be a shock. I had people of Xinjiang as my class mates, they laugh at your propaganda.

ebruchez 3 days ago

I am not taking your word for it at all, but if they "laugh" at this, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps

suraci 2 days ago

You know what?

Most of you don't even know a single Uigur in your whole life, everything you learnt about Xinjiang/Uigur is from western media(ofc, wikipedia, The "Free" Encyclopedia, and from some random "Xinjiang experts" who funded by some Hawkish think tanks which backed by the US gov.

But I do know many westerners like you in HN, Twitter, etc. And, since I have the more reliable information and experience, just like the one you replied, I know you more than you know Xinjiang/Uigurs, so, my oponion about you is way more reliable than your oponions about Xinjiang/Uigurs. I can easily judge you are ignorant due to credulousness and misinformation.

Now, do you understand why there's "laugh"? They/We are not laughing at "this", we are laughing at people like you.

TBH, I do enjoy browsing China-related comments in HN, it's like watching a comedy, you guys may never get this, untill you take a flight to China/Xinjiang, if you did, you'd find the funny part

t0bia_s 21 hours ago

How your knowing westerns from HN and Twitter makes your opinion more reliable than westerners that know about you from wiki?

t0bia_s 3 days ago

What kind of propaganda? Because we do no find their propaganda funny.