There were many terrible electric cars out of China for years. Every province had its own little EV manufacturers. China's car industry is less concentrated than the US, but the big players are winning.
BYD is only the 9th largest carmaker in China. SAIC, Changan, and Geeley are the top 3. SAIC and Changan are state-owned, but Geeley is private, as is BYD. SAIC makes about 5 million vehicles a year. General Motors, over 6 million. BYD, around 3 million. Tesla, a little less than BYD.
Reviews of newer BYD cars are quite favorable. It's not like five years ago, when China's electric cars were not very good.
BYD has a simplified design for electric cars. The main component is the "e-axle", with motor, axle, differential, and wheels in one unit. There's a power electronics box which controls battery, motor, and charging. And, of course, the battery, made of BYD lithium-iron-phosphate prismatic cells. Talks CANbus to the dashboard and driver controls. BYD offers this setup in a range of sizes, up to box truck scale.
BYD and CATL are spending huge amounts of money to get to solid state batteries. The consensus seems to be that they work fine but are very hard to make. The manufacturing problems will probably get solved.
(Somebody should buy Jeep from Stellantis and put Jeep bodies on BYD E-axles. Stellantis is pushing a terrible "mild hybrid" power train with 21 miles of electric range, and an insanely overpriced all-electric power train. Stellantis prices went through the roof under the previous (fired) CEO, and sales went through the floor. Jeep sales are way down, despite customers who want them.)
Chinese cars used to have lots of quality problems because they didn’t embrace automation, afraid that would take away jobs (Toyotas made in China 12-15 years ago were notoriously bad compared to ones made in Japan/usa). But in the last ten years, they’ve gone full speed ahead on it, as aggressive as the Japanese, and the quality increases are really noticeable. It’s not just a tech upgrade, they’ve really changed the way they are thinking about manufacturing (not just a jobs program).
> BYD is only the 9th largest carmaker in China. SAIC, Changan, and Geeley are the top 3
Protip: when you calc Chinese numbers, be sure to lookup the latest data. 1 year or 2 means landslide difference.
SAIC sales dropped > 11% and profit down by 27% in the first two quaters 2024. Think about that for a second.
BYD sold over 500k cars last month:
https://cnevpost.com/2024/11/01/byd-sales-oct-2024/
That's up over 60% year on year. If they are not already the largest carmaker in China they will be very soon.
it will take years before they can prove that their cars are made to last. I won’t be lining up to buy them but in 5-10 years perhaps
Kia/hyundai went through that phase already, and just got through it with absurd 10 year warranties when they first came out. China could do the same in the states, although I think they will have enough traction in SEA/Africa/Russia//Australia by then that they won’t have to.
Mine comes with a 5 year warranty, and a 7 year battery replacement warranty. I'm fine with not waiting.
Well, not sure how enforceable will it be, time will tell.
There are some not so good portents:
does it also say it is OK to wait 8 months for warranty replacement or 11 months for battery replacement? :)