pg314 4 days ago

> It is outrageously expensive.

Quite the opposite.

> Can you point me to a report that has a cost/benefit analysis of adding bike lanes for a city? A city that isn't "ideal" for cyclists...

https://www.benelux.int/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Report_Cy...

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robocat 4 days ago

The paper suggests biking only 118 days per year. The car ownership costs are not "saved" - the projected savings are wrong. Ownership car costs are 0.167/km and savings by riding a bicycle are 0.349/km.

Two ignored real costs of bicycling are lack of optionality (planning ahead for weather changes, locked into transport mode) and carrying capacity (groceries, children, sports equipment, etcetera). And I'd like to see other costs of cycling (wet weather gear, helmets, locks) included.

About the quality I expected.

pg314 3 days ago

> The paper suggests biking only 118 days per year. The car ownership costs are not "saved" - the projected savings are wrong.

Were does it suggests that? The number 118 doesn't appear anywhere in that document.

> Ownership car costs are 0.167/km and savings by riding a bicycle are 0.349/km.

Where do you get these numbers from?

> carrying capacity (groceries, children, sports equipment, etcetera)

I do all grocery shopping for a family of four with a cargo bike. I pick up and drop off children in the cargo bike. You can think up objections all day if you want, but that doesn't change the fact that some people succeed in living car-free.

Nobody is forcing you to take a bicycle. Even if you personally don't like cycling, you should still encourage others to: every cyclist you see riding around is one less car stuck in traffic with you.

> And I'd like to see other costs of cycling (wet weather gear, helmets, locks) included.

Then you're in luck. On page 24, they include a budget of 117 EUR for gear and accessories.

robocat 3 days ago

I'm really sorry, my comment was meant to respond to nehal3m (a link to a thesis), not your comment.

I understand that biking can work and there are people that benefit greatly. Having a cargo-bike suggests you are an outlier. I've used biking and bussing as my main mode of transport in the past.

I just prefer we are truthful and admit that it is expensive to put down a bike lane. The paper you linked mentions the expense.

That paper is strongly biased towards cycling - hardly a fair analysis. It notes the same argument as the other paper "Total costs of ownership for a bicycle range between 16 and 28 eurocents per kilometre, while an average passenger car costs easily 32 eurocents per kilometre. Bicycles can play a key role in inclusive mobility policies.".

Comparisons need to be between trips not per km since a bicycle usually cannot fully substitute for a car.

And it is just a true that cars play a key role in inclusive mobility policies; however they don't mention that eh. I had a disabled parent so I do see both sides.