The_Colonel 4 days ago

> you're a subordinate, face is only lost among peers and superiors

I disagree. Losing the respect of your subordinates is IMHO worse than of your superior.

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ChrisMarshallNY 4 days ago

To a point. I have found that subordinates always have to feel that they have a "little secret edge" over their managers.

In my experience, this is both harmless and necessary. If I, as a manager, can't handle that, then I'm kinda screwed.

But it is also highly dependent on the types of people we manage.

Source: Manager for over 25 years, of a bunch of folks much smarter and more experienced than me.

Kamq 4 days ago

You can lose the respect of your subordinates, but that's different than losing face.

Although one may lead to the other, they are different things.

Archelaos 4 days ago

I think the OP meant: in private, face is only lost when criticised by a peer or superior.

vampiresdoexist 4 days ago

If your superior is managing up well, then it truly doesn’t matter if subordinates lose respect. Probably laying groundwork for new ones well in advance of that becoming a real issue for their status.