WalterBright 4 days ago

It's clumsy and inconvenient to have writing without paper and pen. There wasn't a whole lot of writing before the printing press.

I've sometimes idly wondered if I was transported back in time to the stone age, could I help the tribe by teaching them to read and write? Sadly, nope.

If I was transported to Roman times, I'd try to invent paper and a printing press. I bet it would catch on fast.

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gostsamo 4 days ago

They had paper though not as durable as the modern one. Papyrus had the same function, but it decays over few decades and things written on it should be rewritten. If you have a few centuries of war and low literacy like in the western parts of the Roman empire, there is noone to renew the pagan texts and they get lost. The eastern empire bothered only with the texts compatible with christianity while the arabs kept those compatible with islam.

The printing press might've been useful though.

DonHopkins 4 days ago

It would be dangerous to transport you back to Roman times, because you might teach them to write C++ and compile it into cellular automata, and then program Empire with a 30 million soldier human computer, like the "human abacus" scene in "Three Body Problem"!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFgRNY6fpOc

WalterBright 4 days ago

Of course you're right!

After much thinking about it, providing a printing press would be the most effective invention to bootstrap a modern society. And, well, that's exactly what happened after Gutenberg invented it. The greatest inventions in history are:

1. writing

2. phonetic alphabet

3. paper

4. printing

5. networks

And the pattern is obvious!

mmooss 4 days ago

> I'd try to invent ... a printing press

I sometimes wonder if the development of the printing press relied on technology that hadn't been available previously - like many/most innovations. But what?

Paper? There were ink-retaining sheets long before the printing press. A durable mechanism for the roller? They made wagon axles, I assume, that supported much more weight. Durable letters? Even sans metal, I'd guess that carving wood letters would still be worth the effort.

WalterBright 4 days ago

Gutenberg's press was a modified wine press that was based on a screw. The Romans had screw wine presses. The precursors were available to the Romans.

He used lead letters. Lead was readily available in Roman times - after all, the water pipes were made of lead (and poisoned the people who used them).

The lead letters would quickly wear out, but it was easy to melt and recast them as needed. I've seen a demonstration of it.

I think the Chinese did wood block printing, but it didn't get very far.

int_19h 3 days ago

There are many reasonably convenient options depending on geography and economy. Palm leaves, birch bark, wax tablets... sure, they are not as convenient as paper, but good enough to write e.g. personal letters, diaries, and even doodles.